Mr. BALL. When? Mr. JARMAN. That Saturday morning. Mr. BALL. The next day? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How long did you stay in the building, the Texas School Book Depository Building that afternoon? Mr. JARMAN. I'd say it was somewhere between two and two-thirty when they turned us loose and told us to go home. Mr. BALL. When you were there did you notice whether any of the employees were missing? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. When did you notice, and who was missing? Mr. JARMAN. When we started to line up to show our identification, quite a few of us asked where was Lee. That is what we called him, and he wasn't anywhere around. We started asking each other, have you seen Lee Oswald, and they said no. Mr. BALL. Was there anybody else missing? Mr. JARMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. Who. Mr. JARMAN. Charles Douglas Givens, I believe. Mr. BALL. Charles Givens? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Anybody else? Mr. JARMAN. I can't recall. Mr. McCLOY. Had Givens been in the Depository that morning? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir; he had. Mr. McCLOY. He had been there? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did Givens come back later? Mr. JARMAN. He didn't come back to the building until they picked him up. Mr. BALL. He did come back to the building before you left, did he? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. He didn't? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. He was not there when you left? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. When you were on the fifth floor, did you pay any attention to whether or not there was noise above you, before the shots were fired? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. In other words, if there was noise up there--let's put it this way. If there had been any noise up there, you didn't notice it? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. Now after the shooting, did you hear any noise from upstairs? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you listen for any? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. How long was it before you ran down to the west end, from the time of the shots until you ran down to the west end, about how much time do you think it was? Mr. JARMAN. After the third shot was fired I would say it was about a minute. Mr. McCLOY. You have had military experience, haven't you? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. McCLOY. And you can recognize rifle shots when you hear them? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. McCLOY. But you didn't hear, you didn't catch the sound of the bolt moving? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the President actually hit by the bullets? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. I couldn't say that I saw him actually hit, but after the second shot, I presumed that he was, because I had my eye on his car from the time it came down Houston until the time it started toward the freeway underpass. Mr. McCLOY. You saw him crumple, you saw him fall, did you? Mr. JARMAN. I saw him lean his head. Representative FORD. You actually saw the car lurch forward, did you? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Representative FORD. That is a distinct impression?