Mr. BALL. Do you remember seeing Mr. Truly? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Or did you see a motorcycle officer come up? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Or did you hear the elevator go up? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. What did you men do after you looked out the window toward the railroad tracks from the west window? Mr. JARMAN. Well, after Norman had made his statement that he had heard the cartridges hit the floor and this bolt action, I told him we'd better get the hell from up here. Mr. BALL. Did anybody suggest you go up to the sixth floor? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. And where did you go then? Mr. JARMAN. Down. We ran to the elevator first, but the elevator had gone down. Mr. BALL. Where did you go? Mr. JARMAN. Then we ran to the stairway and ran downstairs, and we paused a few minutes on four. Mr. BALL. Which elevator did you run to? Mr. JARMAN. To the elevator on the west side. Mr. BALL. On the west. That wasn't there? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. When you went downstairs, what did you see on the first floor? Mr. JARMAN. When we got downstairs on the first floor, I think the first one I seen was Eddie Piper. Mr. BALL. Eddie Piper works there, does he? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And who else did you see? Mr. JARMAN. And I ran into Roy Edward Lewis, which is also another employee. Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody else there? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. I ran, then we ran to the front door. Mr. BALL. You ran to the front door? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir; and out on the street. Mr. BALL. You and who? Mr. JARMAN. Harold Norman. Mr. BALL. You and Harold went out there? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a fellow named Brennan? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Where did you see him first? Mr. JARMAN. He was talking to a police officer. Mr. BALL. How was he dressed? Mr. JARMAN. He was dressed in construction clothes. Mr. BALL. Anything else, any other way to describe him? Mr. JARMAN. Well, he had on a silverlike helmet. Mr. BALL. Hard-hat? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you stay out there very long? Mr. JARMAN. Just a few minutes. Mr. BALL. Then where did you go? Mr. JARMAN. We heard him talking to this officer about that he had heard these shots and he had seen the barrel of the gun sticking out the window, and he said that the shots came from inside the building, and I told the officer that I believed that they came from inside the building also, and then he rushed us back inside. Mr. BALL. The officer did? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How did you know this fellow was Brennan? Mr. JARMAN. Well, at that time I didn't know him at all. Mr. BALL. Have you learned that since? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Who told you that the man in the hard-hat was Brennan? Mr. JARMAN. Well, they have had him down there at the building a couple of times. Mr. BALL. Were you taken to the police station? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you make a statement? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir.