Representative FORD. What was his reaction? Mr. JARMAN. After I had told him the route that the President probably would take, he just said, "Oh, I see" and went back to filling orders. Representative FORD. You testified earlier that you were standing on the steps or in front of the School Depository Building prior to the President's motorcade coming by the building. Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. I was standing on the sidewalk. Representative FORD. But in front of the building? Mr. JARMAN. In front of the building. Representative FORD. Then you said you went around the building. Mr. JARMAN. Yes. Representative FORD. What route did you take? Did you go down Elm or did you go down Houston? Mr. JARMAN. I went to the corner of the building facing Elm, and turned going north on Houston. Representative FORD. Can you turn around and--here is the main entrance on Elm Street. And you were standing out on the sidewalk more or less where? Mr. JARMAN. Right here. Representative FORD. In which direction did you go then? Mr. JARMAN. This way. Representative FORD. You went by the front to the corner of Houston and Elm, and then down Houston towards the loading dock? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Representative FORD. And where did you get on the elevator? Mr. JARMAN. We walked around to the back entrance and went through this door here, and this elevator here was up on six, I believe. And we walked around the elevator and took the west elevator up. Representative FORD. How could you tell this elevator was at six? Mr. JARMAN. Because after we got around to the other side we looked up. Representative FORD. You could see it was on six? Mr. JARMAN. Yes. Representative FORD. This was about what time? Mr. JARMAN. That was about 12:25 or 12:28. Representative FORD. You got off the fifth floor? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Representative FORD. As you rode the elevator, you noticed the other one was on the sixth floor? Mr. JARMAN. Right, sir. Representative FORD. Have you ever been in any trouble with the police or did you ever have any disciplinary troubles in the Army? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. How was Oswald dressed that morning when you saw him at work? Do you remember that? Mr. JARMAN. I don't exactly recall how he was dressed. I think he had on some dress pants. But I didn't notice the color. Mr. BALL. What kind of pants? Mr. JARMAN. Some kind of these slacks you wear. Mr. BALL. What kind of a shirt? Mr. JARMAN. Ivy leagues, I believe. Mr. BALL. What kind of a shirt, do you know? Mr. JARMAN. He never hardly worked in a shirt. He worked in a T-shirt. Mr. BALL. Do you remember if he had a T-shirt on that day? Mr. JARMAN. Yes; he had on a T-shirt that morning. Mr. BALL. I have no further questions. Mr. McCLOY. Did you see at any time Oswald that morning with a bundle or package of any kind? Mr. JARMAN. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. When did you first come to the conclusion that any of the shots came from up above you?