Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. And also the withholding slip? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Now I want to take you to the morning of November 22d. First let me ask you when you first heard your employees discussing the fact that the motorcade would be going by the Texas School Book Depository? Was that first on the morning of November 22d that you heard that, or at any prior date? Mr. TRULY. I don't recall. I don't recall hearing any particular discussion about him coming by. No, sir; I don't. Mr. BELIN. All right. What time did you get to work on November 22d? Mr. TRULY. Around 8 o'clock, or shortly thereafter. Mr. BELIN. Did you see Lee Harvey Oswald at any time during that day? Mr. TRULY. I am almost certain that I saw him early that morning as I came in, and spoke to him. Mr. BELIN. And where was he when you saw him? Mr. TRULY. I think he was around the front part of the Scott, Foresman bins. Mr. BELIN. On what floor? Mr. TRULY. On the first floor. Mr. BELIN. Was he filling orders? Mr. TRULY. Apparently; yes, sir. I don't recall too close. But I am almost certain that I talked to him that morning. Mr. BELIN. Do you recall any conversation you might have had with him, or he might have had with you? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. If there was anything, I just said "Good morning, Lee", and he said, "Good morning, sir" and that would be the extent of my conversation, if I saw him that morning, which I am almost certain I did. Mr. BELIN. Did you see him any other time during that day? Mr. TRULY. I cannot recall. I believe I saw him that morning later on, around his work. But I probably wasn't on that floor too much, or out on the floor that morning. Mr. BELIN. Now, when did you leave for lunch, Mr. Truly? Mr. TRULY. As near as I know, it was between somewheres around 12:10 or shortly after, possibly 12:15. Mr. BELIN. At that time did you go out to lunch? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Where did you go to eat? Mr. TRULY. We didn't go anywheres. Mr. Campbell and I---- Mr. BELIN. That is Mr. O. V. Campbell? Mr. TRULY. Mr. O. V. Campbell, vice president--and I had started out for lunch. I don't know as we had any particular place in mind. We ate at several places around there. It was around 12:10 or 12:15, I would say, to the nearest of my memory. As we got to the outside of the building, we noticed that it wouldn't be long until the motorcade would come by, and we decided to wait and watch the President come by. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember where you were standing with Mr. Campbell? Mr. TRULY. I would judge out in Elm Street, 10 to 15 or 20 feet from the front steps. We first stood on the steps, the bottom steps a few minutes, and then we walked out in the line of spectators on the side of Elm Street. Mr. BELIN. I hand you what has been marked Commission Exhibit 495, and ask you to state, if you know, what this is. Mr. TRULY. This is the front entrance to our building.