Mr. BELIN. In what direction would the camera be pointing? Mr. TRULY. Almost straight out from it. It would not be--well, it could be on a little angle. Mr. BELIN. I mean would the camera be pointing east, west, north, or south? Mr. TRULY. North. Mr. BELIN. And the camera would be pointing north on Exhibit 495. I wonder if on that exhibit you would put the place where you and Mr. Campbell first stood, and mark that with the letter "A" if you would. Mr. TRULY. The street curved there, I suppose. I think possibly along here somewheres. Mr. BELIN. You have marked a letter "A" on Exhibit 495. Now, I believe you said that afterwards you went and moved out towards the street, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. I am going to put up on the board Commission Exhibit No. 361. The bottom of the picture is relatively north, sir. And the top faces roughly south. And here is the Texas School Book Depository Building--located at Houston and Elm. Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. I wonder if you could put on Exhibit 361 with the letter "T" the spot at which you were standing when you moved to a closer position to watch the motorcade. Mr. TRULY. I could be off a few feet, but I believe possibly over this way just a bit--that is within 3 or 4 or 5 feet of this area. We were almost out in this. And I think when the motorcade came around, we probably pushed out even a bit farther. Mr. BELIN. Now, by this, you are referring to the entrance to the parkway, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. Yes. Mr. BELIN. And you say that you are either at the spot marked by the letter "T" or perhaps a little bit to the east of that? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards the south, towards the parkway, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. That is correct. Mr. BELIN. All right. Do you know approximately what time you got there, Mr. Truly? To the best of your recollection. Mr. TRULY. 3 or 4 minutes after we reached the entrance, the walkway, we stood on the steps 2 or 3 minutes, and then I don't believe--we just gradually moved out a bit. And then when the policemen leading the motorcade came off of Main on to Houston, we saw them coming, and then we just moved out a little farther to the edge of the parkway. Mr. BELIN. Did you notice any other company employees with you other than Mr. Campbell at that time? Mr. TRULY. Well, I did. I noticed several. Mrs. Reid was standing there close. And it seemed like there were several of the other employees standing out in front of the building. But I cannot--I think Bill Shelley was standing over to my right as I faced the motorcade--somewheres in that area. I noticed just before the motorcade passed there were, I believe, three of our colored boys had come out and started up, and two of them came back. And I didn't see them when the motorcade passed.