But they had started across Houston Street up Elm, and they came back later on, and I think those were the ones that were--two of them were the ones on the fifth floor. Possibly they could not see over the crowd. They are short boys. I wasn't doing too well at that, myself. Mr. BELIN. All right. What did you next see with reference to the motorcade? Mr. TRULY. Do you mind me---- Mr. BELIN. Do you want to turn that over, sir? Will that be easier for you? Mr. TRULY. It might be easier for the gentlemen when I point this out. Now, what was the question? Mr. BELIN. My question is what did you see with reference to the motorcade? Mr. TRULY. All right. We saw the motorcycle escort come off of Main and turn onto Houston Street. Mr. BELIN. Main would be down here, and it would be coming off Houston, heading towards the building? Mr. TRULY. Headed towards the building. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. TRULY. And it went on down this way. And immediately after---- Mr. BELIN. By "this way" you mean the street marked Parkway? Mr. TRULY. I assume that is the underpass that you have marked Parkway. Mr. BELIN. The street leading to the expressway, that diagonal street? Mr. TRULY. That is right. And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn. Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left. If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here. Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, what is your best estimate of the speed as he started to go down the street here marked Parkway? Mr. TRULY. He picked up a little speed along here, and then seemed to have fallen back into line, and I would say 10 or 12 miles an hour in this area. Mr. BELIN. All right. Then what did you see happen? Mr. TRULY. I heard an explosion, which I thought was a toy cannon or a loud firecracker from west of the building. Nothing happened at this first explosion. Everything was frozen. And immediately after two more explosions, which I realized that I thought was a gun, a rifle of some kind.