Did we get out of breath, do you remember? Mr. TRULY. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Did we go at about the speed that you feel you went on that day with Officer Baker? Mr. TRULY. I think so--which was a little more than a trot, I would say. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember offhand what the stopwatch timed us at--I think we did it twice, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. No, sir--not from the time that he got on his motorcycle, I don't remember. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. TRULY. But I was thinking it was somewheres under 2 minutes. Between a minute and a half and 2 minutes. Mr. BELIN. Officer Baker, I think, will be able to testify to that in the morning. Representative FORD. But in reconstructing the incident, you went more or less at a similar pace, took about the same time you did on November 22d? Mr. TRULY. As far as I can tell; yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. You ran at about the same speed, do you believe? Mr. TRULY. Yes; I believe so. We tried to--we had a few people we had to push our way through to start in the building the other time, and possibly didn't run quite so fast at first. Mr. BELIN. Would you say that again? Mr. TRULY. I said when the officer and I ran in, we were shouldering people aside in front of the building, so we possibly were slowed a little bit more coming in than we were when he and I came in March 20th. I don't believe so. But it wouldn't be enough to matter there. Mr. BELIN. Would you say that the reconstruction that we did on March 20th was a minimum or a maximum time? Mr. TRULY. Oh, I would say that would be the minimum time. Mr. BELIN. Mr. Truly, when you took the elevator to the fifth--from the fifth to the seventh floor, that east elevator did you see the west elevator at all as you passed the sixth floor, when you got to the seventh floor? Mr. TRULY. No, sir; because--I could not see the west elevator while operating the east elevator. Mr. BELIN. You mean because you were not looking at it, or you just couldn't see it? Mr. TRULY. Well, the back of the east elevator is solid metal, and if I passed--yes; I could. I beg your pardon. I could see it from the fifth floor. I didn't notice it anywheres up there. I wasn't really looking for it, however. Mr. BELIN. Now, after you got--when did you notice that west elevator next? If you know. Mr. TRULY. I don't know. Mr. BELIN. I believe you said when you first saw the elevators, you thought they were both on the same floor, the fifth floor. Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Then how do you explain that when you got to the fifth floor, one of the elevators was not there? Mr. TRULY. I don't know, sir. I think one of my boys was getting stock off the fifth floor on the back side, and probably moved the elevator at the time--somewheres between the time we were running upstairs. And I would not have remembered that. I mean I wouldn't have really heard that, with the commotion we were making running up the enclosed stairwell. Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone on the fifth floor?