Mr. TRULY. Yes. When coming down I am sure I saw Jack Dougherty getting some books off the fifth floor. Now, this is so dim in my mind that I could be making a mistake. But I believe that he was getting some stock, that he had already gone back to work, and that he was getting some stock off the fifth floor. Mr. BELIN. You really don't know who was operating the elevator, then, is that correct? Mr. TRULY. That is correct. Mr. BELIN. What is your best guess? Mr. TRULY. My best guess is that Jack Dougherty was. Mr. BELIN. Now, after you got down from the seventh floor, you then went down to the sixth floor with Officer Baker? Mr. TRULY. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Did he look around on the sixth floor at all or not? Mr. TRULY. Just before we got on the elevator on the seventh floor, Officer Baker ran over and looked in a little room on the seventh floor, and glanced around on that floor, which is open, and it didn't take much of a search. And then we reached the sixth floor. I stopped. He glanced over the sixth floor quickly. Mr. BELIN. Could you see the southeast corner of the sixth floor from there? Mr. TRULY. I don't think so; no, sir. You could not. Mr. BELIN. Then what? Mr. TRULY. Then we continued on down, and we saw officers on the fourth floor. I don't recall that we stopped any more until we reached the first floor. But I do recall there was an officer on the fourth floor, by the time we got down that far. Mr. BELIN. All right. And then you got down eventually to the first floor? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. About how long after these shots do you think it took you to go all the way up and look around the roof and come all the way down again? Mr. TRULY. Oh, we might have been gone between 5 and 10 minutes. It is hard to say. Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got back to the first floor, or what did you see? Mr. TRULY. When I got back to the first floor, at first I didn't see anything except officers running around, reporters in the place. There was a regular madhouse. Mr. BELIN. Had they sealed off the building yet, do you know? Mr. TRULY. I am sure they had. Mr. BELIN. Then what? Mr. TRULY. Then in a few minutes--it could have been moments or minutes at a time like that--I noticed some of my boys were over in the west corner of the shipping department, and there were several officers over there taking their names and addresses, and so forth. There were other officers in other parts of the building taking other employees, like office people's names. I noticed that Lee Oswald was not among these boys. So I picked up the telephone and called Mr. Aiken down at the other warehouse who keeps our application blanks. Back up there. First I mentioned to Mr. Campbell--I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him, he looked around and said no. Mr. BELIN. When you asked Bill Shelley if he had seen whom? Mr. TRULY. Lee Oswald. I said, "Have you seen him around lately," and he said no.