Mrs. PAINE. He put the things in. I knew that we would spend one night on the road, that there were certain things we would have to get too, and I knew where these were, and he didn't, so that I talked about where these things should be placed, and helped with some of the binding, tying things to the boat on the car rack. Mr. JENNER. The boat on top of the station wagon? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Now would you please tell us what there was in the way of luggage placed in the station wagon? Mrs. PAINE. There again the two large duffels which were heavier than I could move, he put those in. Mr. JENNER. Describe their appearance, please. Mrs. PAINE. Again stuffed full, a rumply outside. Mr. JENNER. With what? Mrs. PAINE. Rumply. Mr. JENNER. Rumply? No appearance of any hard object pushing outwards? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. Against the sides or ends of the duffel bags? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. You saw nothing with respect to those duffel bags which might have led you to believe---- Mrs. PAINE. A board in it, no. Mr. JENNER. A tent pole, a long object, hard? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. Nothing at all? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. And how many pieces of luggage? Mrs. PAINE. Again these same suitcases, 2 or 3, I think 3 including quite a small one, and the little radio. Mr. JENNER. What about the zipper bag? Mrs. PAINE. That was there. I think so. Oh no, it probably wasn't. I don't recall the zipper bag as being part of that. Mr. JENNER. I wish you would reflect a little on this because it is important, Mrs. Paine, if you can remember it as accurately as possible. Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall the zipper bag among those things. Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the zipper bag when you arrived in Irving? Mrs. PAINE. I think I saw him arrive with it himself, but I am not certain. No, wait, that may not be because I didn't see him when he first arrived. Mr. JENNER. When you arrived in Irving, Mrs. Paine, not when he arrived. Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall that. I distinctly recall the duffels because it was all I could do to get them off of the car and set them on the grass until Michael could come and put them into the garage. Mr. JENNER. Do you distinctly recall the hard-sided luggage you described yesterday? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. All of the pieces that you saw? Mrs. PAINE. Well, I don't recall that it was all. I couldn't even recall too well how many went down to New Orleans originally. Mr. JENNER. Was there more than one? Mrs. PAINE. There was certainly more than one. Mr. JENNER. Do you think there were more than two? Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall specifically. Mr. JENNER. Do you have a recollection as to whether there was a piece of luggage still apart from the zipper bag, still in the apartment at 4907 Magazine Street when you girls pulled out to go back to Irving? Mrs. PAINE. I have no specific recollection.