Mr. DULLES. How long before the President's actual visit on the 22d of November did you know of the visit and of the route that he was going to take. Mr. TRULY. Well, I think they said it was announced 72 hours before the assassination that he would take that route. Mr. DULLES. Was there any discussion, as far as you know, among your employees, of the fact that the procession would go near the School Depository? Mr. TRULY. No, sir; not that I know of. Mr. McCLOY. Did you ever have any reason to suspect any other member--any other of your boys of being in any way connected with this affair? Mr. TRULY. No, sir; I never have found anything or any actions to make me feel that they might be connected with it. Mr. McCLOY. You never observed Oswald conversing with any strange or unidentified characters during his employment with you? Mr. TRULY. Never. Mr. DULLES. Did Oswald have any visitors as far as you know? Mr. TRULY. Never knew of a one; no, sir. Mr. McCLOY. Did he have the use of a telephone when he was in the building? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. We have a telephone on the first floor that he was free to use during his lunch hour for a minute. He was supposed to ask permission to use the phone. But he could have used the phone. Mr. DULLES. Pay telephone or office telephone? Mr. TRULY. No, sir; it is a regular office telephone. It is a pushbutton type. Mr. McCLOY. Did he strike you as being a frequent user of that telephone? Mr. TRULY. I never remember ever seeing him on the telephone. Mr. DULLES. Would you have any record or be able to find out now whether he had ever used it? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. You did not see him on November 22d with any package or any bundle? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. Mr. BELIN. Mr. Truly, when we were there on March 20th, did you take a walk down from the southeast corner window on the sixth floor with Officer Baker and a Secret Service Agent Howlett--we walked along from that window at the southeast corner of the sixth floor, walked along the east wall to the northeast corner of the building, and then across there around the elevators, and Secret Service Agent Howlett simulated putting a rifle at the spot where the rifle was found; and then we took the stairs down to the second floor lunchroom where Officer Baker encountered Lee Harvey Oswald? You remember us doing that? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. How fast were we going--running, trotting, walking or what? Mr. TRULY. Walking at a brisk walk, and then a little bit faster, I would say. Mr. BELIN. You remember what time that was? How long did it take? Mr. TRULY. It seemed to me like it was a minute and 18 seconds, and a minute and 15 seconds. We tried it twice. I believe that is about as near as I remember. Mr. BELIN. If a person were in that southeast corner window, just knowing the way the books were laid up there, would that have been the most practicable route to use to get out of there, to get down the stairs?