Mr. TRULY. I believe so. I believe it to be. Mr. McCLOY. In your judgment, you think that is the route that Oswald took? Mr. TRULY. I think--he had two possible routes there. One of them, he could come half way down the east wall and down this way, but he would have to make one more turn. But if he came all the way down the east wall to where the rows of books stop, he had a straight run toward the sixth floor stairs. Mr. DULLES. You do not think he used any of the elevators at any time to get from the sixth to the second floor? Mr. TRULY. You mean after the shooting? No, sir; he just could not, because those elevators, I saw myself, were both on the fifth floor, they were both even. And I tried to get one of them, and then when we ran up to the second floor--it would have been impossible for him to have come down either one of those elevators after the assassination. He had to use the stairway as his only way of getting down--since we did see the elevators in those positions. Mr. DULLES. He could not have taken it down and then have somebody else go up to that floor and leave it? Mr. TRULY. No, sir; I don't believe he would have had time for that. Representative FORD. He couldn't have taken an elevator down and then sent it up to a higher floor? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. Yes; he could. I suppose he could put his hand through the slotted bars and touched one of the upper floors. Mr. BELIN. On both elevators? Mr. TRULY. That is just the west one only. Representative FORD. That was feasible, even though it might be a little difficult? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. Representative FORD. There was no button on the outside that permitted him to send an elevator up to a higher floor? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. It would take him quite a little job to get his hand all through there and press one. Mr. DULLES. Would he have to break any glass to do it? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. The car gate--and then there was an outside gate slatted--slats about this far apart. Mr. McCLOY. When you entered the building with the officer behind you, when you were presumably trying to get to the roof, there had been no cordon at that time thrown around the building? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. So that Oswald could have slipped out without an officer having been at the doorway at that point? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir; I think so. There were many officers running down west of the building. It appears many people thought the shots came from there because of the echo or what. Mr. DULLES. Is it your view he went out the front door rather than one of the back doors? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir; it is. From the nature--from the direction he was walking through the office, and the front stairway, to reach the second floor--it is my view that he walked down the front stairs and just out through the crowd there, probably a minute or two before the police had everything stopped. Mr. McCLOY. From what you know of these young men who testified before you today, are they trustworthy?