Mrs. PAINE. They didn't seem particularly tight, but then I don't have a strong recollection of them prior to the 22d. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever pick up that package? Mrs. PAINE. No, I never did. Mr. JENNER. That was wrapped in the blanket. Did you ever have any discussion with Marina Oswald about the package in your garage? Mrs. PAINE. Not until the afternoon of the 22d. Mr. JENNER. Did you see anybody move it about your garage at any time? Mrs. PAINE. No, I did not see anyone move it. Mr. JENNER. And how long after you returned to Texas did you notice that package in your garage? Mrs. PAINE. I said I thought it was late October perhaps. I wouldn't be at all certain about when I first noticed it. Mr. JENNER. And did you notice from time to time that it was in a different position or places in your garage? Mrs. PAINE. I recall two places I saw it. Mr. JENNER. And the first was where? Mrs. PAINE. Over near--the radial saw, what do you call it, buzz saw? Mr. JENNER. Bandsaw. Mrs. PAINE. No, buzz saw. Mr. JENNER. Oh yes, a disc type, a buzz saw, near the buzz saw. Then on the second occasion when you saw it, where was it? Mrs. PAINE. Over near the work bench in front of part of the work bench, one end extending toward the bandsaw. Mr. JENNER. And on both of those occasions was the package lying flat on the floor or was it upended? Mrs. PAINE. Flat on the floor. Mr. JENNER. And you never had any curiosity with respect to it to lead you to step on it or feel it in any respect? Mrs. PAINE. No, I didn't. Mr. JENNER. Did you have a lot of debris or articles in the garage? Mrs. PAINE. Indeed, and do yet. Our things and most of the Oswald things were stored there. I have mentioned several pieces of machine tools. Mr. JENNER. We identified the garage picture at the tail end of yesterday, and I think the Chairman is seeking it. Mr. McCLOY. I am trying to find it now. Mrs. PAINE. That of course was taken more recently, but it is reasonably typical of its condition at that time too. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. JENNER. This is a photograph numbered eight, entitled garage interior, which I have marked with Commission number 429, and I now exhibit that to Mrs. Paine. Are you familiar with what is depicted in that photograph? Mrs. PAINE. Very. Mr. JENNER. Do you know when that photograph was taken? Mrs. PAINE. It was taken about 2 weeks ago. Mr. JENNER. Were you present? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And does it accurately depict everything that was there and in its relative position at the time the picture was taken? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And it is your garage? Mrs. PAINE. It is. Mr. JENNER. Would you locate on that, and I would like to have you place an X at the point in that picture that you first saw the package? Mrs. PAINE. Underneath that box. Mr. JENNER. All right. You have written an arrow or X next to "on floor" and it is underneath the box that is on the floor.