Mr. JENNER. Would you put a little line as to where the break was in the rod. I offer in evidence, Mr. Chairman, as Commission Exhibit No. 449 the drawing that the witness has just made, and about which she has testified. Senator COOPER. It will be admitted as part of the evidence. (Commission Exhibit No. 449 was received in evidence.) Mr. JENNER. Had there been any conversation between you and Lee Oswald, or between you and Marina, or any conversation taking place in your presence prior to this occasion, in which the subject of curtain rods was mentioned? Mrs. PAINE. No; there was no such conversation. Mr. JENNER. Was the subject of curtain rods--had that ever been mentioned during all of these weekends that Lee Oswald had come to your home, commencing, I think you said, with his first return on October 4, 1963? Mrs. PAINE. It had not been mentioned. Mr. JENNER. Never by anybody? Mrs. PAINE. By anybody. Mr. JENNER. Had the subject of curtain rods been mentioned even inadvertently, let us say, by some neighbor talking about the subject, as to whether you had some curtain rods you weren't using? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. That might be loaned? I think you had testified that the curtain rods, when unextended, were 36 inches long, approximately? Mrs. PAINE. That is a guess. I would say, thinking further about it, it must be shorter than that. One went over a window that I am pretty sure was 30 inches wide, and one went over a window that was 42 inches wide, so it had to extend between these. They were identical, and had served at these different windows. Mr. JENNER. The rods were identical in length when unextended? Mrs. PAINE. Or when fully extended; yes. Mr. JENNER. What? Mrs. PAINE. Or when fully extended. Mr. JENNER. Or when fully extended; yes. They could be extended to as great as 42 inches? Mrs. PAINE. At least that. I am just saying what windows they were used for. Mr. JENNER. If the rods are still available, we will be able to obtain them? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And we will know exactly their length, extended and unextended. Now, as you think further about it, the rods when not extended, that is, when pushed together, might be but 30 inches long? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Because you recall that you have a 30-inch-wide window. Mrs. PAINE. I believe it is more that width than 36. Mr. JENNER. Would you hold up your hands to indicate what you think the width or the length of the rods is when not extended? Mrs. PAINE. Oh, I don't recall. Maybe like this. Mr. JENNER. Would you measure that, Mr. Liebeler, please? Mr. LIEBELER. About 28 inches. Mr. JENNER. I intend to leave the subject of the curtain rods, gentlemen, if you have any questions. Mr. McCLOY. May I ask a question. Did the FBI question you about the curtain rods any, or the Dallas police officials? Mrs. PAINE. Not the Dallas police. Mr. McCLOY. Not the Dallas police?