Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. They were not at all heavy? Mrs. PAINE. That is right. Mr. JENNER. They were curved? Were they curved in any respect? Mrs. PAINE. They curved at the ends to attach to the bracket that held them up on the wall. Mr. JENNER. May I use the chalk on the board, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps it might be better for you, Mrs. Paine, so I don't influence you. Would you draw a picture of the rods? Mrs. PAINE. You are looking down from the top. It attaches here, well, over a loop thing on the wall. Looking from the inside, it curves over a slight bit, and then this is recessed. Mr. JENNER. I am going to have to have you do that over on a sheet of paper. Will you remain standing for the moment. We will give it an exhibit number. But I would like to have you proceed there. What did you say this was, in the lower diagram? Mrs. PAINE. You are looking down. Mr. JENNER. Now, where was the break? Mrs. PAINE. The break? Mr. JENNER. You said they were extension. Mrs. PAINE. That is right. When they are up on the window, it would be like that. Mr. JENNER. You have drawn a double line to indicate what would be seen if you were looking down into the U-shape of the rod? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. The double line indicates what on either side? Mrs. PAINE. That the lightweight metal, white, turned over, bent around, something less than a quarter of an inch on each side. Mr. JENNER. Now, would you be good enough to make the same drawing. We will mark that sheet as Commission Exhibit No. 449 upon which the witness is now drawing the curtain rod. (Commission Exhibit No. 449 was marked for identification.) Mr. JENNER. While you are doing that, Mrs. Paine, would you be good enough when you return to Irving, Tex., to see if those rods are at hand, and some of our men are going to be in Irving next week. We might come out and take a look at them, and perhaps you might surrender them to us. Mrs. PAINE. You are perfectly welcome to them. Mr. JENNER. Would you in that connection, Mrs. Paine, do not open the package until we arrive? Mrs. PAINE. I won't even look, then. Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, would you mark "A" in the upper elevation and "B" in the lower elevation. The elevation in the drawing you have indicated as "A" is a depiction of what? Mrs. PAINE. The curtain rod, as you might look at it from the top when it is hanging in its position, when it is placed in position on the window. Mr. JENNER. And "B"? Mrs. PAINE. "B" is as it might appear if you could look at it from outside the house; the window. Mr. JENNER. While the rod was in place? Mrs. PAINE. While the rod was in place. Mr. JENNER. You have written to the left-hand side "Place at which it attaches to wall fixture," indicating the butt end of the curved side of the rod? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And the two oblongs, each of which you have put at the ends of depiction "B," represent the upturned ends of the fixtures at each end? Mrs. PAINE. Right.