Mr. DULLES. There were no questions put to him that were significant as far as our testimony is concerned? Dr. SHAW. No; we really don't have to question him much. Our problem was pretty clearcut, and he told us it hurt and that was about his only response as far as---- Senator COOPER. Could I ask you a question, doctor? I think you said from the time you came into the emergency room and the time you went to the operating room was about 5 minutes? Dr. SHAW. Yes; it was just the time that it took to ask a few simple questions, what has been done so far, and has the operating room been alerted, and then I went out and talked to Mrs. Connally, just very briefly, I told her what the problem was in respect to the Governor and what we were going to have to do about it and she said to go ahead with anything that was necessary. So this couldn't have taken more than 5 minutes or so. Mr. DULLES. Did he say anything or did anyone say anything there about the circumstances of the shooting? Dr. SHAW. Not at that time. Mr. DULLES. Either of Governor Connally or the President? Dr. SHAW. Not at that time. All of our conversation was later. Mr. DULLES. Was the President in the same room? Dr. SHAW. No. Mr. DULLES. Did you see him? Dr. SHAW. I only saw his shoes and his feet. He was in the room immediately opposite. As I came into the hallway, I could recognize that the President was on it, in the room to my right. I knew that my problem was concerned with Governor Connally, and I turned and went into the room where I saw that he was. Mr. DULLES. Did you hear at that time or have any knowledge, of a bullet which had been found on the stretcher? Dr. SHAW. No; this was later knowledge. Mr. DULLES. When did you first hear that? (At this point Senator Russell entered the hearing room.) Dr. SHAW. This information was first given to me by a man from the Secret Service who interviewed me in my office several weeks later. It is the first time I knew about any bullet being recovered. Senator COOPER. I think, of course, it is evident from your testimony you have had wide experience in chest wounds and bullet wounds in the chest. What experience have you had in, say, the field of ballistics? Would this experience--you have been dealing in chest wounds caused by bullets--have provided you knowledge also about the characteristics of missiles, particularly bullets of this type? Dr. SHAW. No; Senator. I believe that my information about ballistics is just that of an average layman, no more. Perhaps a little more since I have seen deformed bullets from wounds, but I haven't gone into that aspect of wounds. Senator COOPER. In the answers to the hypothetical questions that were addressed to you, based upon the only actual knowledge which you could base that answer, was the fact that you had performed the operation on the wound caused in the chest, on the wound in the chest?