Dr. SHAW. Yes. The entire surgical incision runs from the anterior portion of the chest just lateral to the, we call it, the condral arch, the =V= formed by the condral arch, and then extends laterally below the nipple, running up, curving up, into the posterior axillary portion or the posterior lateral wall of the chest. Mr. SPECTER. What is the total length of the scar, Doctor? Dr. SHAW. Twenty centimeters, about. Mr. DULLES. Where was the center of the bullet wound itself in that scar about? Dr. SHAW. Here. Mr. DULLES. There? Dr. SHAW. Yes. All of the rest of this incision was necessary to gain access to the depths of the wound for the debridement, for removing all of the destroyed tissue because of the passage of the bullet. Mr. DULLES. Would you give us in your hand the area of declination from the entry to the---- Dr. SHAW. This way. Mr. DULLES. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Can you estimate that angle for us, Doctor? Dr. SHAW. We are talking about the angle now, of course, with the horizontal, and I would say--you don't have a caliper there, do you? Dr. GREGORY. Yes. Dr. SHAW. I was going to guess somewhere between 25° and 30°. Mr. DULLES. Sorry to ask these questions. Governor CONNALLY. That is fine. I think it is an excellent question. Dr. SHAW. Well, this puts it right at 25°. Mr. SPECTER. That is the angle then of elevation as you are measuring it? Dr. SHAW. Measuring from back to front, it is the elevation of the posterior wound over the anterior wound. The CHAIRMAN. The course being downward back to front? Dr. SHAW. Yes. Governor CONNALLY. Back to front. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Dr. SHAW. At the time of the initial examination, as I described, this portion of the Governor's chest was mobile, it was moving in and out because of the softening of the chest, and that was the reason I didn't want the skin incision to be directly over that, because to get better healing it is better to have a firm pad of tissue rather than having the incision directly over the softened area. Mr. DULLES. Doctor, would the angle be the same if the Governor were seated now the way he was in the chair? Dr. SHAW. That is a good question. Of course, we don't know exactly whether he was back or tipped forward. But I don't think there is going to be much difference. Mr. DULLES. Were you seated in about that way, Governor? Governor CONNALLY. Mr. Dulles, I would say I was in about this position when I was hit, with my face approximately looking toward you, 20° off of center. Dr. SHAW. Yes; I got 27°. That didn't make much difference. Mr. SPECTER. Is that reading taken then while the Governor is in a seated position, Doctor? Dr. SHAW. Yes, seated; yes. Representative BOGGS. May I ask a question? How would his hand have been under those circumstances, Doctor, for the bullet to hit his wrist?