Mr. BALL. Is that the scene that was photographed by the crime lab group? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; that is right. But there is one thing that this picture is a little bit deceiving in one way. This picture is taken with a man standing, no doubt, on boxes up high like this, standing down level on the floor. This gun was partially under the end of those boxes right there. You see the camera evidently took a picture under like that, and he got a little more gun than you would see if you were standing on the floor. Mr. BALL. I want to ask you about a showup. Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Callaway and Guinyard and McWatters. You did you say you were present at that showup? That is No. 2. Mr. FRITZ. No. 2 showup. I show there Leavelle, Brown, and Dougherty. It doesn't show that I was at that showup. Mr. BALL. You were at that showup? Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; it doesn't show. Mr. BALL. Did you talk to Callaway before he went to the showup? Mr. FRITZ. Callaway--I will have to look there to see. Can you tell me something about what he has testified? Mr. BALL. Callaway is a tall blond man, he was a used car salesman, used carlot on the corner of Patton and Jefferson. Mr. FRITZ. I believe Officer Leavelle talked to him. Any of these witnesses when I say I didn't talk to them, that doesn't mean I didn't go out and say something to them but I didn't question them. Mr. BALL. Did you say to anyone of these witnesses, "We think we have got the man that killed Tippit and he is probably the man who killed the President"? Anything like that? Mr. FRITZ. I don't remember saying anything like that. Mr. BALL. Did you say, "I want you to look at him good because we want to make the identification." Mr. FRITZ. Oh, no. We didn't need to. The first witness that went down with me convinced me on the Tippit killing. Mr. McCLOY. That is Mrs. Markham? Mr. FRITZ. Yes; Helen Markham. And she was a real good witness and she identified him positively and picked him out in a manner that you could tell she was honest in her identification. Mr. BALL. We came up to the time you got him in jail that is at 12:05. Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Were you through with him at that time? Mr. FRITZ. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you see him again? Mr. FRITZ. I believe we had another arraignment, did we not? Mr. BALL. You had an arraignment charging him with the assassination of President Kennedy, murder of President Kennedy. Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I went to that arraignment. Mr. BALL. That was at what time? I believe you showed it at 1:35 a.m. in your records. Mr. FRITZ. That would be about right. Mr. BALL. 1:35? Mr. FRITZ. I will tell you in a minute to be sure. I show 1:35. Mr. BALL. That was where? Mr. FRITZ. In the identification bureau. Mr. BALL. Who was present? Mr. FRITZ. That is just outside the jail. Mr. BALL. Who was present at that time?