Mr. SPECTER. Is there some flattening on both of those bullets in approximately the same areas toward the rear of the missiles? Dr. OLIVIER. In the bullet, our particular bullet is flattened the whole length, but you say towards the rear? Mr. SPECTER. You say our bullet; you mean 853? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes, 853 is flattened. No. 399 is flattened more towards the rear. Mr. SPECTER. Are there any other conclusions which you have to add to the tests performed on the goat? Dr. OLIVIER. Well, again in this test it demonstrates that the bullet that was stable when it struck in this fashion again lost very little velocity in going through that much goat tissue. Incidentally, the amount of goat tissue it traversed was probably somewhat less than the Governor, but in any case it indicates the bullet would have had a lot of remaining velocity and could have done a lot of damage. Another thing that hasn't been brought up is the velocity screen immediately behind the goat, the imprint of the bullet left on it was almost the length of the bullet. Mr. SPECTER. What does that indicate? Dr. OLIVIER. This indicates that the bullet was now no longer traveling straight but either traveling sideways or tumbling end over end at the time it hit the screen. Mr. SPECTER. And that was after the point of exit from the goat? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Are there any other conclusions which you found from the studies on the goat? Dr. OLIVIER. No, I believe that is all I can think of right at this moment. Mr. SPECTER. In the regular course of your work for the U.S. Army, do you have occasion to perform tests on parts of human cadavers to determine the effects of bullets on human beings? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes, I do. Mr. SPECTER. And was a series of tests performed under your supervision on the portions of human cadavers simulated to the wound inflicted on the wrist of Governor Connally? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Were you familiar with the nature of the wound on Governor Connally's wrist prior to performing those tests? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes, I was. Mr. SPECTER. What was the source of your information on those wounds? Dr. OLIVIER. I had read the surgeon's report, also talked with Dr. Gregory, the surgeon who had done the surgery, and had looked at the X-rays. Mr. SPECTER. Had you had an opportunity to discuss the wounds with Dr. Gregory and view the X-rays taken at Parkland Hospital, here in the Commission headquarters? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes; I did. Mr. SPECTER. On April 21, 1964? Dr. OLIVIER. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. I now hand you an X-ray marked as Commission Exhibit 854, and ask you what that depicts? Dr. OLIVIER. This is a comminuted fracture of the distal end of the radius of a human arm. Mr. SPECTER. And in what manner was that wound caused? Dr. OLIVIER. It was caused by a bullet from the Commission Exhibit 139. This was again the 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano Western ammunition lot 6,000. Mr. SPECTER. Fired at what distance?