Mr. FRAZIER. As to whether or not a limb of the tree may have deflected one shot. However, I think it should be remembered that the frame 207 is just as he exits under the tree; from there to frame 225 to where the President shows a reaction is only a matter of 1 second. He is under the tree in frames 166 until frame 207, which is about 2 seconds. So somewhere in that 3-second interval there may have been a shot--which deflected from a limb or for some other reason and was never discovered. Representative FORD. Mr. Chairman, may I return to questions that I was asking Mr. Frazier? Mr. McCLOY. Yes. Representative FORD. Again making those same assumptions we made a moment ago, is there any evidence that a third shot hit the car or any occupant of the car? Mr. FRAZIER. Assuming all those assumptions we had before; no. I would say that, and again I have not the technical evidence to back this up one way or the other but you make these assumptions and I would say under those conditions only two shots hit the occupants of the car because the one through the President had to cause Connally's wound otherwise it would have struck somewhere else in the car and it did not strike somewhere else. Therefore, it had to go through Governor Connally. And the second shot had to strike the President in the head. Mr. McCLOY. How about these shots you spoke of, one of the fragments, at least, hitting the glass, the windshield and one possibly hitting the chrome. Was there anything, could it have been any fragmentation of the first shot which didn't hit, the first shot that hit the President, let's say, but didn't hit Connally, might that again make the possibility of three shots, one of them hitting the President and fragmenting as you indicated, and a second one hitting Connally, and the third one hitting the President for the lethal shot. Mr. FRAZIER. Under that circumstance the bullet exiting from the President would have had to strike something else in the car to break it up. Mr. McCLOY. Break it up inasmuch as it was broken up? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; there was no evidence that the bullet which exited from the President was in any but complete condition, that is there was only one hole through the shirt, there was only one hole through his coat or shirt actually and the testimony of the medical examiners was that it made a relatively straight path through the body. Mr. SPECTER. That completes my questions of Mr. Frazier. Mr. DULLES. Could I ask just one more question? Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir; Mr. Dulles. Mr. DULLES. There has been a certain amount of testimony indicating there was a longer pause between the report of the first shot or what is believed to be the report, explosion of the first shot and the second and third shots, that is not absolutely unanimous but I would say it is something like 5 to 1 or something of that kind, what would you say, 2 to 1, 3 to 1? (Discussion off the record.)