Dr. SHIRES. There has never been recorded in medical literature recovery from a wound like this. There was too much blood lost too fast. Had the injury occurred right outside the operating room, it might have been possible to reduce the period of anoxia that comes from overwhelming blood loss like this, sufficiently to have corrected it. We did control all the bleeding points with a lot of difficulty, finally all bleeding points were controlled and this was a mortal wound--there was no question about that. Mr. SPECTER. Are the details of your observations, examination, and treatment of Mr. Oswald set forth in the two pages of this report which I have just shown you in Commission No. 392? Dr. SHIRES. Yes, the operative reports that are contained there. Mr. SPECTER. Thank you very much, Dr. Shires. Dr. SHIRES. Thank you. TESTIMONY OF DR. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY The testimony of Dr. Richard Brooks Dulany was taken at 6:20 p.m., on March 25, 1964, at Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Arlen Specter, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. SPECTER. May the record show that Dr. Richard Dulany is present in response to the request that he appear to have his deposition taken and he has been requested to appear here because he has been identified in prior depositions as perhaps being one of the first doctors to see President Kennedy. Dr. Dulany, have you had an opportunity to examine the Executive Order creating the President's Commission? Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And the rules and regulations relating to the taking of testimony? Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Are you willing to have your deposition taken here today, even though you haven't had the 3 days' notice which you have a right to, if you want it? Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. You are willing to waive that requirement? Dr. DULANY. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Will you stand up now and raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give before the President's Commission in this deposition proceeding will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Dr. DULANY. I do. Mr. SPECTER. Would you state your full name for the record? Dr. DULANY. Richard Brooks Dulany. Mr. SPECTER. What is your profession? Dr. DULANY. M.D.--Medical Doctor. Mr. SPECTER. Are you licensed to practice medicine in the State of Texas? Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And would you outline your educational background, please, starting with college--graduation from college? Dr. DULANY. From college I went to the University Medical School of Oklahoma and then took my internship here at Parkland Hospital and was in the service for 2 years in the Navy, and I just got back from the service in November, and started a residency here in surgery. Mr. SPECTER. Did you have occasion to participate in the care of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963? Dr. DULANY. Is this all recorded now? Mr. SPECTER. Yes.