Dr. DULANY. Well, as I stated, I principally cared for the Governor and then after his emergency treatment had been cared for, I went into the room where President Kennedy was being cared for. Mr. SPECTER. Were you present from the start of the Governor's treatment? Dr. DULANY. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And about what time did you go into the room where the President was being treated? Dr. DULANY. Well, I believe the Governor was supposed to have been in the surgery suite upstairs within 12 minutes after he came in, and so I'm sure I must have been in the room where the President was, about 7 minutes or so afterwards. Mr. SPECTER. What time was that, about, as best you can place it? Dr. DULANY. I don't really recollect the specific times. Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to the condition of the President when you entered? Dr. DULANY. Well, at this time his pupils were fixed and dilated and he had a large head wound--that was the first thing I noticed. There was already a tracheotomy tube in the neck wound or what was later described as a wound, and had a cutdown running and several other doctors were putting chest tubes in. Mr. SPECTER. What doctors were present at that time? Dr. DULANY. I really can't be accurate on that. I remember Dr. Clark and Dr. Jenkins and Dr. Giesecke, Dr. Carrico, Dr. Martin White, and of course, the doctor that was probably down first of the staff members, Dr. Malcolm Perry, and I remember Dr. McClelland, and Dr. Peters were in there. Mr. SPECTER. Are those all the doctors you remember as being down there? Dr. DULANY. I believe those are all. Mr. SPECTER. Can you identify any of the nurses who were there? Dr. DULANY. No, I don't believe so. I can't remember them. Mr. SPECTER. Is there anything that you think that you know would be helpful to the President's Commission in its inquiry into this matter? Dr. DULANY. I don't believe I could add anything any more than you probably already know. Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any neck wound on the President? Dr. DULANY. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. SPECTER. The tracheotomy had already been performed? Dr. DULANY. It had been placed in. Mr. SPECTER. Had the incision already been made when you first saw the President's neck? Dr. DULANY. I really didn't examine it close enough to make any statement along that line. Mr. SPECTER. Then, did you observe any wound in the President's neck at all? Dr. DULANY. No, I just know that the tracheotomy was in and later I was told that this was a wound when it was first seen--you know, that's the best I can tell you. Mr. SPECTER. That's fine, Dr. Dulany, thank you very much for appearing here today. Dr. DULANY. Yes; thank you. TESTIMONY OF RUTH JEANETTE STANDRIDGE The testimony of Ruth Jeanette Standridge was taken at 1:35 p.m., on March 21, 1964, at Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Arlen Specter, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.