Mr. BELIN. All right. Was he also a moving picture cameraman? Mr. COUCH. Yes; right. Mr. BELIN. Where was he at the time you made this statement? Mr. COUCH. Uh--he was standing on that little sidewalk that runs between the--I met him on the little sidewalk between the Book Depository property and the beginning of the parkway. Mr. BELIN. That would be the west side of the Depository Building? Mr. COUCH. That's right; that's right. It's there that I saw the blood on the sidewalk. Mr. BELIN. All right. Now, you say you saw blood on the sidewalk, Mr. Couch? Mr. COUCH. That's right. Mr. BELIN. Where was that? Mr. COUCH. This was the little walkway--steps and walkway that leads up to the corner, the west corner, the southwest corner of the Book Depository Building. Another little sidewalk, as I recall, turns west and forms that little parkway and archway right next to the Book Depository Building. Mr. BELIN. Did this appear to be freshly created blood? Mr. COUCH. Yes; right. Mr. BELIN. About how large was this spot of blood that you saw? Mr. COUCH. Uh--from 8 to 10 inches in diameter. Mr. BELIN. Did people around there say how it happened to get there, or not? Mr. COUCH. No; no one knew. People were watching it--that is, watching it carefully and walking around it and pointing to it. Uh--just as I ran up, policemen ran around the west corner and ran--uh--northward on the side of the building. And my first impression was that--uh--that they had chased someone out of the building around that corner, or possibly they had wounded someone. All the policemen had their pistols pulled. And people were pointing back around those shrubs around that west corner and--uh--you would think that there was a chase going on in that direction. Again, the reason that I didn't follow was because A. J. had come up, and my first concern was to get back with the President. Mr. BELIN. This pool of blood--about how far would it have been north of the curbline of Elm Street as Elm Street goes to the expressway? Mr. COUCH. I'd say--uh--well, from Elm Street, you mean, itself? Mr. BELIN. Yes. This is from that part of Elm Street that goes into the expressway? Mr. COUCH. I'd say--uh--50 to 60 feet, and about 15 feet or 10 to 15 feet from the corner of the Texas Depository Building. Mr. BELIN. It would have been somewhere along that park area there? Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. Was there anything else you noticed by this pool of blood? Mr. COUCH. No. There were no objects on the ground. We looked for something. We thought there would be something else, but---- Mr. BELIN. There was nothing? Mr. COUCH. Huh-uh. Mr. BELIN. Now, this A. J.----? Mr. COUCH. L'Hoste. That's "L" apostrophe. Mr. BELIN. Yes; I have that. I have made a note of the spelling, along with the phonetic sound. Do you know if he got any pictures of the south side of the School Book Depository?