Mr. BALL. When you shot these two pictures of the Texas School Book Depository Building, how far were you from the building, would you say? Mr. DILLARD. From the window or from the---- Mr. BALL. From the building. That would be, I suppose, a measurement along the street. Mr. DILLARD. I would say it was just before we reached the corner of Elm and Houston Streets. Mr. BALL. You were south of Elm and Houston, were you? Mr. DILLARD. Yes. Mr. BALL. About how far? Well, perhaps as a photographer, you can give me a more accurate estimate this way; tell me how far you think your camera was from the upper windows when you shot that picture? Mr. DILLARD. Oh, it wasn't over 50, 60 yards. Mr. BALL. Did you see anything in the windows? Mr. DILLARD. No. Mr. BALL. You didn't see a rifle barrel? Mr. DILLARD. No. Mr. BALL. But you did see some figures or forms in the window? Mr. DILLARD. Only in the windows which was the windows below. Mr. BALL. How many forms did you see in the windows below? Mr. DILLARD. I saw two men in the windows, at least the arched windows. I saw them in my picture. I was making the picture my eyes were covering. Mr. BALL. You saw them as you were taking the picture? Mr. DILLARD. I may have; I don't know. Mr. BALL. Do you remember if you saw two or three figures? Mr. DILLARD. I don't remember. Mr. BALL. But you did see some figures and you cannot be accurate? Mr. DILLARD. Right. Mr. BALL. Your car stopped where? Mr. DILLARD. I remember, we were stopping and starting down Houston Street or moving very slowly while this shooting was going on, and I know we came around the corner of Houston and Elm and saw people lying on the ground down the hill on the sides of the lawns there in the plaza, and I jumped out of my car. The car stopped then and I got out and I don't know what happened. Mr. BALL. What did you do after you go out? Mr. DILLARD. Well, I made a picture of cars moving into the sun under the underpass, somebody chasing the car and I looked at the situation in that area and saw absolutely nothing of the Presidential car or anything that appeared worth photographing to me at the time. Mr. BALL. How long did you stay around there? Mr. DILLARD. Perhaps 2 minutes. Mr. BALL. Then where did you go? Mr. DILLARD. Another car, Chevrolet convertible, of the party came by with, I assume, dignitaries in it and I jumped on the back of it and we started--I told them, of course, who I was and we started out Stemmons Expressway toward the Trade Mart and I explained to them what I knew and tried to hold onto the back of that car at rather high speed. I never saw the Presidential car. Mr. BALL. Do you have any idea or any impression as to the source of the explosions--what direction it was coming from?