Mr. DILLARD. Yes, I felt that, at the time, I felt like it was coming from a north area and quite close, and I might qualify I have had a great deal of experience. I am a gun nut and have a great number of high-powered rifles at home, so I know a little bit about guns. Mr. BALL. You have had experience with rifles? Mr. DILLARD. Yes, I have shot a great deal, so I am familiar with the noise that they made in that area. We were getting a sort of reverberation which made it difficult to pinpoint the actual direction but my feeling was that it was coming into my face and, in that I was facing north toward the School Depository--I might add that I very definitely smelled gun powder when the car moved up at the corner. Mr. BALL. You did? Mr. DILLARD. I very definitely smelled it. Mr. BALL. By that you mean when you moved up to the corner of Elm and Houston? Mr. DILLARD. Yes; now, there developed a very brisk north wind. Mr. BALL. That was in front of the Texas School Book Depository? Mr. DILLARD. Yes, it's rather close--the corner is rather close. I mentioned it, I believe, that it was rather surprising to me. Mr. BALL. Who did you mention it to? Mr. DILLARD. Bob, I'm sure. Mr. BALL. Bob Jackson? Mr. DILLARD. Yeah, Bob and I were talking about it. Mr. BALL. You developed your pictures, didn't you? Mr. DILLARD. I don't remember. Mr. BALL. Or did you turn them over? Mr. DILLARD. I printed them. Mr. BALL. You printed them? Mr. DILLARD. Yes, I don't remember whether I developed that roll or not. I may have. Mr. BALL. Did you do that the same day? Mr. DILLARD. Yes, immediately thereafter, shortly after I came back from the hospital. Mr. BALL. Then you examined the pictures that you had taken--those two pictures you had taken? Mr. DILLARD. Yes. Mr. BALL. I have---- Mr. DILLARD. There was never any question in my mind that there was more than or less than three explosions which were all heavy rifle fire, in my opinion, of the same rifle. The same rifle fired three shots. Mr. BALL. Do you still have the two negatives? Mr. DILLARD. Yes; of these [indicating]? Mr. BALL. Yes. Mr. DILLARD. Yes. Mr. BALL. You have them in your possession? Mr. DILLARD. At the Dallas News; they're in a box kept locked in the managing editor's office. Mr. BALL. Suppose we could do this. I have pictures here which you can identify but perhaps it might be a little closer to the source if we do this. Could you make me up two prints for your deposition from those negatives? Mr. DILLARD. Well, I guess so. Mr. BALL. Off the record. (Off-record discussion.) Mr. BALL. You will endorse your signature on each copy as being a print made from your negatives, is that satisfactory? Mr. DILLARD. Suits me; I could get it notarized. Mr. BALL. You don't need to do that because we can attach it as a copy to this deposition. Mr. DILLARD. I could sign these; of course, you want that other.