Mrs. BOWLAND. On a lower floor, about the fourth floor, I think, and nearer the center window. The windows nearer the center. Mr. BELIN. On some floor lower than the sixth floor, which you think was the fourth floor? Mrs. BOWLAND. About the fourth floor. Mr. BELIN. Did you and your husband comment about these other men? Mrs. BOWLAND. We may have said something about there being other people watching, I am not sure. Mr. BELIN. Did you particularly watch the sixth floor because of the fact that you had seen or your husband had seen a person on the sixth floor? Mrs. BOWLAND. We looked at it for a few minutes, but we didn't look back, and when we heard the shots, we didn't look back up there. I grabbed his hand and started running toward the car. Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. From the time that you saw or your husband said he saw a man on the southwest part of the sixth floor, which you say was about 15 minutes before the motorcade came by, how much longer did you look back up at the building? Mrs. ROWLAND. Just about 2 or 3 minutes. Mr. BELIN. After that? Mrs. ROWLAND. About 2 minutes. Mr. BELIN. You mean about 2 minutes after that time? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. So that would be up to a time of about 13 minutes before the motorcade came by? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Did you ever look back at the building after that period of time? Mrs. ROWLAND. I may have glanced at it, but I don't remember looking back for the purpose of seeing the man. Mr. BELIN. All right, or any man there? Mrs. ROWLAND. Any man there. Mr. BELIN. What were you doing from the 13 minutes on before the motorcade came until the time it came? Mrs. ROWLAND. Just talking and looking. Mr. BELIN. Where were you looking? Mrs. ROWLAND. At the street and the other people, and we talked about some men who were carrying cameras. Mr. BELIN. Now when you were standing watching the motorcade or standing watching the street scene, do you remember if your husband was to your right or to your left? Was he closer towards the School Book Depository Building? Mrs. ROWLAND. No; he was to my left most of the time, I think. Mr. BELIN. What was he doing? Mrs. ROWLAND. Just standing there talking. Mr. BELIN. Talking to you? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether or not if he ever looked back at the building? Mrs. ROWLAND. I wouldn't know for certain. Mr. BELIN. Did he ever tell you he was looking back at the building? Mrs. ROWLAND. No. Mr. BELIN. Did you ever notice him looking back at the building? Mrs. ROWLAND. Not that I remember. Mr. BELIN. Was he generally looking at you when he was talking with you? Mrs. ROWLAND. Not necessarily. He might have been looking around at the street or at the building. Mr. BELIN. Or at anything? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes.