Mr. SPECTER. You know that there were jump seats in the car so that there would have been people sitting three positions forward, one in the back seat--President Kennedy and Mrs. Kennedy, on the right in the jump seat--Governor Connally and Mrs. Connally and in the front seat, two Secret Service agents--people sitting three positions forward? Mrs. HILL. I saw the Secret Service agents. Mr. SPECTER. Had you been, prior to the time I told you just now, familiar with that arrangement of the personnel in the car? Mrs. HILL. Yes; I knew that, and as I said, I didn't know who the people were in the car because I am new here--I don't know the Connallys, I just knew that people were in the car. Mr. SPECTER. Did you notice the person sitting in the jump seat on the right-hand side, that would be the person immediately in front of President Kennedy? Mrs. HILL. Well, I would say it was Mr. Connally. Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe him at any specific time? Mrs. HILL. I saw a man fall to the floor. Mr. SPECTER. And when, in point of time, did you see him fall? Mrs. HILL. After the President was shot, but I wouldn't--it wasn't with the first shot. To me he wasn't hit when the first shot hit. Mr. SPECTER. And what is the basis for your saying that, Mrs. Hill? Mrs.. HILL. Well, I just think that he was hit after Kennedy was hit because, well, just the way that it looked, I would say that he was hit later. Mr. SPECTER. Now, do you associate the time that Governor Connally appeared to have been hit with any specific shot that you heard? Mrs. HILL. The second. Mr. SPECTER. And what specifically did you observe at the time of the second shot? Mrs. HILL. Well, that's what I thought had happened--that they had hit someone in the front part of the car. Mr. SPECTER. And what did you observe at the time of the third shot? Mrs. HILL. President Kennedy was hit again and he had further buffeted his body and I didn't realize at the time what it was--I remarked to my friends in the police station that day--did she notice his hair standing up, because it did. It just rippled up like this. Mr. SPECTER. And at what time was that? Mrs. HILL. On the third shot. Mr. SPECTER. Did you notice Governor Connally at the time of the third shot? Mrs. HILL. I never saw him again. Mr. SPECTER. What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard? Mrs. HILL. Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots--about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know. Mr. SPECTER. Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?