Mrs. HILL. The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not--it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned. Mr. SPECTER. And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was? Mrs. HILL. That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet--further down. Mr. SPECTER. Which shots, now--you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot? Mrs. HILL. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say what anyone was doing or what events were occurring at the time of the fourth through perhaps the sixth shots which you have testified about? Mrs. HILL. Well, as I said, at that time she was yelling at me and on the ground. Mr. SPECTER. Who was yelling at you? Mrs. HILL. Mary, my friend, was yelling at me and she was down on the ground and I looked up and I could see everyone was just stunned, there was immobility all around and I just stood there looking around and I'm sure there wasn't a pause--it seemed like an eternity but I'm sure there was just a slight pause before things started moving again. Mr. SPECTER. Were the shots over by that time when things started moving again? Mrs. HILL. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Then what happened on the scene? Mrs. HILL. Well, they say Mrs. Kennedy climbed up on the back of the car. Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe that? Mrs. HILL. No; I have seen pictures that show that she must have, but I ran across the street. Mr. SPECTER. To the---- Mrs. HILL. Other side. Mr. SPECTER. North side of Elm Street? Mrs. HILL. That's right. I saw a man up there running, or getting away or walking away or something--I would say he was running. Mr. SPECTER. Where was that man when you first saw him? Mrs. HILL. He was right up there by the School Depository, just--not at the corner where they say the shots came from, at the other end, right up on the slope at the top of the slope. Mr. SPECTER. Would that be in front of the School Book Depository Building? Mrs. HILL. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. At the west end? Mrs. HILL. More to the west end. Mr. SPECTER. Would it be between the westernmost point of the building and some other point in the building? Was he at the westernmost point or farther east than the westernmost point? Mrs. HILL. I would say he was farther east than the westernmost point. Mr. SPECTER. Would you draw a diagram for me in rough outline, starting with Houston Street---- Mrs. HILL. Yes; but I can't do this very well. Mr. SPECTER. Permit me to draw an outline, then, to get your bearing here and realizing that I want your recollection, and I'll ask you the questions. Assume that Houston Street is the street which I am marking Houston. Assume that this is Main Street. Assume that Elm Street curves down in the manner that I am drawing and marking. Mrs. HILL. All right.