Mr. APPLIN. I guess it was Oswald, because--for one reason, that he had on a short sleeve shirt, and I seen a man's arm that was connected to the gun. Mr. BALL. What did the officer do? Mr. APPLIN. Well, the officer was scuffling with him there, and---- Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything? Mr. APPLIN. Well, about the only thing I heard was the snap of the gun and the officer saying, "Here he is." Mr. BALL. You heard the snap of a gun? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Are you familiar with guns? Mr. APPLIN. Well, yes, sir; I am familiar with a few guns. Mr. BALL. Pistols? Have you ever shot a pistol? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; I have shot my daddy's nine-shot .22 pistol. Mr. BALL. Sounded like a hammer of a pistol falling? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Then what happened after that? You say several officers came down? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; they started wrestling and scuffling with him. Mr. BALL. How many of them? Mr. APPLIN. Well, there was about five officers, I believe. Mr. BALL. Did you see any officers strike him? Mr. APPLIN. I seen one strike him with a shotgun. Mr. BALL. How did he do it? Mr. APPLIN. He grabbed the muzzle of the gun and drawed it back and swung and hit him in the back. Mr. BALL. With what? Mr. APPLIN. With the butt end of the gun. Mr. BALL. Looked like a hard blow? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; it--I guess it was. You could--yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And he struck Oswald where? Mr. APPLIN. In the back. Mr. BALL. What part of the back? Mr. APPLIN. Well, somewheres along in the middle of the back, somewheres. Mr. BALL. With the butt end of a shotgun? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you see the officer strike Oswald with his fist? Mr. APPLIN. No, sir; I do not believe so. Mr. BALL. Now, how many officers were struggling with Oswald when you saw the officer strike him with the butt end of the shotgun? Mr. APPLIN. I believe about four. Mr. BALL. Did you ever see them handcuff Oswald? Mr. APPLIN. Uhuh? Mr. BALL. Did you see them handcuff the man? Mr. APPLIN. No, sir; I didn't actually see the handcuffing. Mr. BALL. What did you see them do after the struggle? Mr. APPLIN. Well, they were scuffling, and they were over to the middle, about the far side of the aisle, and come up the other side of the aisle. Mr. BALL. With the man? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And then when they went out, did they come out through the doors? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir; they came up through and one of the officers hollered out, "Don't let nobody see him," and they came in right behind me. Mr. BALL. In behind you? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And went on out? Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And did you go out and follow them out?