Mr. HAWKINS. Well, I'm sure Bob was in there. I couldn't say where he was exactly or--I do remember Sergeant Hill being there, and I believe he said, "I've got the gun." I think I read an account of where Bob Carroll may have had the gun, but I was under the impression it was Sergeant Hill. I'm sure Bob was there, but I don't know exactly--it was all happening pretty fast. Mr. BALL. Did any one of these men you have described around Oswald have a shotgun? Mr. HAWKINS. I don't believe any of them--at the time that they were standing directly around Oswald, had a shotgun--I may be mistaken. Mr. BALL. A witness testified yesterday that while they were struggling with Oswald, a police officer took a gun and took it by the muzzle and struck Oswald in the back with the rifle butt; did you see anything like that? Mr. HAWKINS. No; I did not. I couldn't say that it did not happen. I didn't see from the back, but I do know that Officer Hutson was standing behind him and had grabbed him around the neck and I'm sure that he did not have a gun. Mr. BALL. Hutson did not have a shotgun? Mr. HAWKINS. No, sir; he did not. Mr. BALL. Did Oswald say anything during this struggle? Mr. HAWKINS. I don't recall anything he said during the struggle--I do recall some remarks that he made about--that he had certain rights and that he would see "about this police brutality" or some remark he made about--that he had rights and he wasn't being handled right or something of this nature. Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody strike Oswald during the struggle except in the grabbing and holding of him--I know you grabbed him and held him, but did you see anybody strike him a blow? Mr. HAWKINS. No, sir; I did not see anyone strike him a blow. Mr. BALL. Afterwards, did you notice any marks on Oswald's face? Mr. HAWKINS. I did notice, not at that time, but I did notice, however, after I saw him on television that he had a bruise on the right side of his face. Mr. BALL. Did you see that bruise there at the theatre? Mr. HAWKINS. Not at the theatre; no, sir. Mr. BALL. Were you with the group of officers that took him from the theatre? Mr. HAWKINS. I was walking with the group--I was not immediately beside Oswald. At this time, I believe, Officer Walker and possibly Officer Lyons and Paul Bentley and I don't remember, but I believe those three were one of the three and maybe Sergeant Hill. We handcuffed him and after we had handcuffed him we walked him out to the left and immediately to the car in front. They put him in the car--I was standing beside the car and then I worked traffic for them to get out. Mr. BALL. As he was going out of the theatre, was he shouting or yelling? Mr. HAWKINS. Was he? Mr. BALL. Yes. Mr. HAWKINS. I don't remember him saying anything except this about that he had certain rights and the police brutality. Mr. BALL. Did he say that as he was leaving the theatre, or did he say that in the theatre?