Mr. BALL. Do you tell them to get them all the same color? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; we always tell them to get them all the same color. I never have had too much trouble getting them all the same color. Mr. BALL. What about the size and weight? Mr. BOYD. Now, we always tell them to get them as near the same size and age and weight as they can. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Mr. BALL. In this case you didn't pick the men for the showup? Mr. BOYD. I didn't know them--no, sir. Mr. BALL. Or any of the showups? Mr. BOYD. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, this third showup took place at what time? Mr. BOYD. We left the office at 7:40 and it takes, like I say, 2 or 3 minutes to get downstairs, and we got him back--we left down there to go back up at 7:55. Mr. BALL. Who conducted the questioning on this third showup which you attended? Mr. BOYD. I don't recall who did. Mr. BALL. What about Oswald's manner in the third showup? Mr. BOYD. I don't recall him being any different in that showup than the first two. Mr. BALL. What about the appearance of the men in this showup--let's take the No. 1 man--what was his coloring and weight and size? Mr. BOYD. Well, let's see--this is that Richard Walter Borchgardt. He was born May 30, 1940, and our records show him to be 5' 9", and 161 pounds. Mr. BALL. That's [spelling] B-o-r-c-h-g-a-r-d-t? Mr. BOYD. That's [spelling] B-o-r-c-h-g-a-r-d-t. Mr. BALL. 161 pounds? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; he had brown hair and blue eyes and fair complexion. Mr. BALL. What was he in for, do you know? Mr. BOYD. Yes, he was in for CPW and investigation of burglary and theft. Mr. BALL. Then, the second man was who? Mr. BOYD. Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. BALL. And the third man--was who? Mr. BOYD. Ellis Carl Brazel [spelling] B-r-a-z-e-l. Mr. BALL. That's [spelling] B-r-a-z-e-l--just one "l"? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. He was No. 3 and what is his description? Mr. BOYD. He was born November 24, 1941, and it shows him to be 5' 10", 169 pounds, green eyes, blond hair, ruddy complexion. Mr. BALL. What was he in for? Mr. BOYD. I think he was in for tickets. Mr. BALL. You mean, going too fast--speeding? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; I believe that's right, or having some overdue tickets--he could have been in for something else, but that's what I think he was in for. Mr. BALL. And Don Ables is the fourth man? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. He was the No. 4 man in the first two shows, too? Mr. BOYD. This shows him to be 5' 9", 165 pounds. Mr. BALL. What do you have Oswald down for? Mr. BOYD. I don't have his description down, but I think he told me he was 5' and 8" or 9" and weighed 140-something pounds--I believe that is what he told me. Mr. BALL. Do you know what happened to Borchgardt? Mr. BOYD. No, sir; I don't. Mr. BALL. Or to Brazel? Mr. BOYD. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, in this showup, the third showup, was Oswald's manner any different than it had been the first two showups?