Mr. SIMS. I don't know when that was, now, that was found out that first day, I believe. Another officer went out and searched his room and also went to Irving, I believe. Mr. BALL. The officers went out and searched the room sometime that afternoon, around 3:30. Mr. SIMS. That's right, I believe so. Mr. BALL. Can you tell me whether or not you are the one that found out he had a room at 1026 North Beckley? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you that? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don't believe he did. Mr. BALL. All right. Did he tell you that his wife lived in Irving, Tex.? Mr. SIMS. I don't remember if he told me that or not. Mr. BALL. Now, the first showup was at what time? Mr. SIMS. At 4:05. Mr. BALL. How did you conduct that showup? Mr. SIMS. Well, we took Oswald down with us with the two police officers. Mr. BALL. What two police officers? Mr. SIMS. Clark and Perry. Mr. BALL. You say you took him down--where was he when you took him down? Mr. SIMS. He was in our office, Captain Fritz' office. Mr. BALL. That would be on the second floor? Mr. SIMS. Third floor. Mr. BALL. On the third floor? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And where did you take him? Mr. SIMS. Well, we walked out of our door and turned left, and you go a few feet and go to the elevator--where the waiting room for the elevator is--it's a locked door, and then go from there to the basement of the city hall and then go from the elevator there to the holdover room next to the stage, the showup stage. Mr. BALL. You have a special place for showups, do you? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And would you describe it? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; in front of it is the detail room, where the officers get their assignments every day before they go out in the squads, and the platform is a raised platform--I guess it's 2 or 2-1/2 or 3 feet raised above the floor and it has got a black--some type of a cloth screen with floodlights at the top and down at the bottom. Mr. BALL. Is it a cloth screen between the---- Mr. SIMS. Between the suspects and the witnesses we have. Mr. BALL. The stage and the outer part of the room? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Are there seats in the room? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What kind of seats? Mr. SIMS. They are just a regular chair--with a long desk, something like this here. Mr. BALL. You say you took Oswald down with a couple of the officers? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; two of the officers went with us--Perry and Clark. Mr. BALL. And they are Dallas Police Department officers, are they? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And why did you have to have them come down with you? Mr. SIMS. I don't know why they did. Mr. BALL. Who instructed them to go with you? Mr. SIMS. I don't know that. I know they said they were there for the showup so we went with them. Mr. BALL. During the showup, were they part of the showup? Mr. SIMS. Yes; they participated in the showup; they were with Oswald and this jailer.