Mr. STERN. He said that to you or to Captain Fritz in your presence? Mr. SIMS. Well, I heard it--I don't know whether he said it to me--whether he told it to Captain Fritz or he may have told it to me. Mr. STERN. What was the response from the police officer in charge at any time he mentioned getting a lawyer? Mr. SIMS. I don't know what it was. I believe he used the telephone. Mr. STERN. Did he seem tired to you in the course of the interrogations? Or showups? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. STERN. By the time of your last contact with him, a little after 12 that night, was he still in possession of his--have all his wits about him? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. STERN. Would you still describe him the way you did before? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; he was still alert--quick. Mr. STERN. Calm? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. STERN. Could you describe the conditions in the corridor and other areas around Captain Fritz' office and the room in which the interrogations were taking place? During the day Friday and Saturday. Mr. SIMS. Well, of course, our office--Captain Fritz' office was crowded. Mr. STERN. With officials? Mr. SIMS. Official FBI, Secret Service, and Government officials and city officials--Texas Rangers and State officials. Mr. STERN. Was this making interrogation more difficult? Mr. SIMS. Well, I don't know if it would or not. A number was in Captain Fritz' office during the interrogation--I believe during all of the interrogations. Mr. STERN. Were the interrogations conducted so that one person asked all the questions, or were several people asking questions during the course of the same interrogation? Mr. SIMS. Several people conducted the interrogation. Of course, there wasn't two or three speaking at one time--one of them would speak to him and more or less ask him questions. Mr. STERN. How about the conditions outside the offices, in the corridor, as to people who were not officials? Mr. SIMS. Well, it was a problem getting through. It was crowded. Mr. STERN. Because of the---- Mr. SIMS. Photographers and newsmen. Mr. STERN. Were there television cameras in the corridor at that time? Mr. SIMS. Yes. Mr. STERN. Do you know when they were brought in, were you present when they were installed? Mr. SIMS. No; I don't know when they were installed. Mr. STERN. As I understand it, you had to bring Oswald through part of this crowd of newspapermen to get him to the interrogation room, when you brought him to and from? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; the interrogation room was all in room 317, but when we would have to go through the crowd would be to take him to a showup, and the next day when we would bring him from the jail to Captain Fritz' office, it would be a matter of 20 or 30 feet there in the hall. Mr. STERN. And in the course of those trips through the crowd, would people try to ask him questions? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. STERN. And tried to get him to make statements on the microphone? Mr. SIMS. Yes; they would.