Mr. STERN. Would he respond--do you recall--ever? Mr. SIMS. Sometimes he would and sometimes he wouldn't. Mr. STERN. Did this have any effect on him, did it seem to irritate him in any way, or did he also take this calmly? Mr. SIMS. Well, I didn't notice anything different. Mr. STERN. No noticeable difference? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. STERN. Would you describe his demeanor on Saturday as being the same as it was on Friday, was he still calm and in complete self-control? Mr. SIMS. I was not around him a lot Saturday, I don't believe, but he still was calm and alert and everything. Mr. STERN. How about his demeanor at the press conference Friday night when he was taken down to the showup room to meet the press? Mr. SIMS. Well, he was--during the press interview--he was pretty snappy. He made some quick answers--I don't know what all it involved--he denied knowledge of the President's assassination, I believe, and he denied knowledge of killing Officer Tippit. Mr. STERN. And he was snappy and arrogant and hostile? Mr. SIMS. Yes; a form of arrogance, yes, sir. Mr. STERN. But was he harassed by this or was he still calm and in control? Mr. SIMS. Well, he had control of himself; yes, sir. Mr. STERN. So that his snappiness was, would you say, his way of expressing his feelings? Mr. SIMS. Well, I don't know--I don't know, but he was snappy at that time--at that press interview. Mr. STERN. That's all. Thank you. That's all I have, Mr. Ball. I believe Mr. Ely has a question or two. Mr. ELY. There's one thing maybe you can help us clear up now. You took--I'm referring to late Friday night or let's say early Saturday morning. Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. ELY. You took Oswald up to the jail office on the fourth floor--about what time? Mr. SIMS. I took him up to the jail office approximately 12:20. Mr. ELY. And is that the last time you saw him before going home? Mr. SIMS. Yes; and we turned him over to the jailers up there on the fourth floor at 12:23. Mr. ELY. And about what time did you leave to go home for the night? Mr. SIMS. Well, I believe--I'm not positive about this, but I believe that night Boyd and I worked later than the other officers did. Mr. ELY. Would you have any knowledge as to whether Oswald was checked out of the jail again after 12:23? Mr. SIMS. Not to my knowledge. He was checked out later on in the day. Mr. ELY. Right, but I'm speaking of now of sometime around 12:30 again--a quarter of 1 or something like that--you wouldn't know anything about that? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't know about that, but I checked him out later on that day. I don't know what time it was. I checked him out at 12:25 a.m.--I believe that's 10:25 a.m. is when I checked him out on the 23d. Mr. ELY. That's all I have, Mr. Ball. Mr. BALL. We have been attaching these as exhibits just for illustration, and do you mind if we mark it and make it part of your deposition? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; that will be fine.