Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; it all depends. I would initial the outside of the hulls, I imagine, or put a mark directly inside of the hull. Mr. BELIN. Either on the outside or directly inside the top part of the hull? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; the end. Mr. BELIN. On the end of the hull? Mr. SIMS. Yes, the spent end. Mr. BELIN. The spent end? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Anything else you can think of that might be relevant? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; but I do definitely remember him telling me about be sure and get the hulls. Mr. BELIN. You definitely remember getting the hulls? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; sure do. Mr. BELIN. Have you and I ever talked before you walked through the door? Mr. SIMS. No. Mr. BELIN. As soon as you walked through the door, I had you raise your right hand and you started testifying, is that correct? Mr. SIMS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Do you want to read this deposition, or are you going to sign the other deposition? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; just go ahead. Mr. BELIN. Ship it on in? Mr. SIMS. Yes. Mr. BELIN. All right, thank you, sir. TESTIMONY OF RICHARD S. STOVALL The testimony of Richard S. Stovall was taken at 11 a.m., on April 3, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BALL. Would you please stand up, Mr. Stovall, and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. STOVALL. I do. Mr. BALL. Will you please state your name for the record? Mr. STOVALL. Richard S. Stovall. Mr. BALL. And what is your address, please? Mr. STOVALL. 3211 Grayson Drive, Dallas. Mr. BALL. And what is your occupation? Mr. STOVALL. Detective with the Homicide Bureau, City Police Department. Mr. BALL. How long have you been with the Dallas Police Department? Mr. STOVALL. Approximately 10 years--it will be 10 years this May. Mr. BALL. Now, the Commission has asked us to ask every witness to tell us about where he was born and his education and what he has done, because they are unable to see you and they would like to know something about you. Can you tell me that, please? Mr. STOVALL. Yes, I was born here in Dallas in 1928. I was born in a frame house over here on West Page--329 West Page. I went to grade school at Winnetka Elementary School and I attended W. E. Greiner Junior High School over here on South Edgefield. I went to high school at Sunset High out on Jefferson Boulevard. After I left high school, I went to the Navy for 2 years, which was just after World War II and I quit high school, by the way, and after I got out of the Navy I came back to summer school Tech and finished.