Mr. BELIN. When did you contact Greener about this, or don't you remember? Mr. TURNER. I don't know. Mr. BELIN. Do you know what the phrase, "Drill and tap," means, or did you discuss this with Mr. Greener? Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir; I did. He explained it to me. Mr. BELIN. What did he say about it? Mr. TURNER. He said the phrase, "Drill and tap," as used by a gunsmith means to drill a hole, using a tap to put threads in the hole to attach a scope mount. Said that he charged a $1.50 a hole to bore these holes. Said this would mean that the mount on this scope would have three screws in it. Mr. BELIN. Let's see, that would be $4.50. Well, as I understand it, he said that--do you know how many screws the rifle had on the top of it that was found in the School Book Depository Building? Mr. TURNER. No, sir; I don't. I never examined it. Mr. BELIN. But this would indicate three screws on top? Mr. TURNER. According to his charges of a $1.50 a hole. Mr. BELIN. How many on top? I mean, three screws based on his $1.50 a screw? Mr. TURNER. A hole. Mr. BELIN. What about the bore sight? What does that mean? Mr. TURNER. The phrase boresight, his description means to attach to a spud to the barrel of the rifle, and then using a sight-alining tool, they attach this spud to this tool and aline the crosshairs, and that is to sight a rifle in. Mr. BELIN. Did he indicate to you whether or not he knew of any particular rifle that had three screws on the scope mount? Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir; he named two. He said that most mounting for scopes was four screws, but he said there are two or three, the Springfield 03AM and the British 303. He said those two use three screws in their mount. Mr. BELIN. Now do you have anywhere in your notes as to whether or not you put down as to how many screws in a mount this rifle found in the School Book Depository Building had? Mr. TURNER. No, sir. Mr. BELIN. All right; did he say whether or not he sold any ammunition for a 6.5 caliber Italian rifle? Mr. TURNER. He stated he does not sell ammunition for those caliber rifles, 6.5. Mr. BELIN. Did he say whether or not he would try and do any further checking to see if he could determine when the order was picked up? Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir; he said he would check his sales tickets and see if he could find perhaps by the $6 charge approximately what date it might have been picked up. Mr. BELIN. Did you ever go back and talk with him later to see whether or not he did this? Mr. TURNER. We did, but he wasn't, as far as I can remember, he wasn't able to do any good. He might have had a lot of charges in that amount or nature or something. Mr. BELIN. Any other conversations with him that you recall right now? Mr. TURNER. None that I can recall. Mr. BELIN. What about the other man, Mr. Ryder? Did you ever talk to him? Mr. TURNER. Yes, sir; I did. Mr. BELIN. What did he say and what did you say?