Mr. BALL. I believe those are all the questions I have to ask you, Mr. Rose, and this will be written up and submitted to you for your signature, if you want to read it and sign it, or if you want to, you can waive your signature--just as you wish. What do you prefer? Mr. ROSE. Well, I don't know--will it be later? Mr. BALL. A couple of weeks. Mr. ROSE. Well, if she will just call me, I will drop by anytime. Mr. BALL. Okay, that will be fine. We will do this. Thanks very much. Mr. ROSE. Let's see, there was something else I was going to tell you now, I wanted to mention--we did run Wesley Frazier on the polygraph, did you know that? Mr. BALL. I know you did--we know about that. Mr. ROSE. Yes. Mr. BALL. Thanks. TESTIMONY OF W. E. PERRY The testimony of W. E. Perry was taken at 9:20 a.m., on April 9, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BALL. Will you stand up and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. PERRY. Yes. Mr. BALL. State your name, please. Mr. PERRY. W. E. Perry. Mr. BALL. What is your occupation? What is your address? Mr. PERRY. 6821 Overlook. Mr. BALL. And your occupation? Mr. PERRY. Police officer. Mr. BALL. Can you tell me something about yourself? Where you were born and where you were raised? Mr. PERRY. I was born and raised right here in Dallas. Mr. BALL. Where did you go to school? Mr. PERRY. Went to school here in Dallas and Forest High School. Mr. BALL. And what did you do after you got out of school? Mr. PERRY. Well, I worked for the phone company a little while and went in business with my dad in the furniture business, and then I went on to the police department. Been there about 11 years. Mr. BALL. Now, with the police department, what was your occupation in November of 1963? Mr. PERRY. I was with the vice and special services bureau. Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, were you on duty in the afternoon? Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. In the vice bureau---- Mr. PERRY. Yes. Mr. BALL. Squadroom? Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you take part in a showup? Mr. PERRY. Yes; I did. Mr. BALL. What time? Mr. PERRY. Approximately 4:35 or---- Mr. BALL. First one? Mr. PERRY. Yes. Mr. BALL. Did you take part in another showup? Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What time? Mr. PERRY. 6:30. Mr. BALL. Take part in any other showups? Mr. PERRY. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Had you ever taken part in a showup before? Mr. PERRY. Not that I recall. Mr. BALL. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. BALL. Back on the record. Had you ever heard of officers taking part in showups before in your department? Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. But, you hadn't yourself? Mr. PERRY. I hadn't myself; no, sir.