Mr. BALL. Where? Let me explain to you that as the Commission isn't going to see you personally, they ask us to find out something about you and where you were born and your early education, what you have done most of your life, try to get some idea of who is giving the testimony. Mr. CLARK. Worked for Merchants Retail Credit Association before the police department. Mr. BALL. What kind of work do you do on the police department? Mr. CLARK. Vice squad detective. Mr. BALL. On the 22d of November 1963, you took part in some showup of the police department, did you? Mr. CLARK. Yes. Mr. BALL. How many? Mr. CLARK. Two. Mr. BALL. Do you remember what time these showups were? Mr. CLARK. They were in the late afternoon but I don't remember the exact time. Mr. BALL. Well, let's take the first showup of which you were a part. That was in the afternoon of the 22d of November 1963, wasn't it? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Who asked you to take part in that showup? Mr. CLARK. Captain Fritz called down to our office and wanted a couple of men to come up and make a showup with Oswald. Mr. BALL. And where did you go then? Mr. CLARK. Went up to the third floor, to Captain Fritz' office. Mr. BALL. Who went with you? Mr. CLARK. My partner. Mr. BALL. What is his name? Mr. CLARK. W. E. Perry. Mr. BALL. Who was in Captain Fritz' office when you got there? Mr. CLARK. Everybody that was in there. Mr. BALL. Were there a good many people in there? Mr. CLARK. Bunch of people in there. Mr. BALL. Was Oswald in there? Mr. CLARK. Oswald was there. Mr. BALL. Do you know the names of the other people? Mr. CLARK. Homicide detectives, Texas Rangers, FBI. Everybody. Mr. BALL. What was said at that time? Mr. CLARK. They told us just to wait right there, that they wanted us to make a showup with them. Mr. BALL. Did you wait there very long? Mr. CLARK. I'd say we waited in the office maybe 15 minutes or less. Mr. BALL. Anything said while you were there? Mr. CLARK. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Then what did you do? Mr. CLARK. We took off our coats, ties. I put on a little--I believe it was a red vest, went on down to the jail office. Mr. BALL. Where did you get the vest? Mr. CLARK. At homicide. Mr. BALL. You didn't own a---- Mr. CLARK. No, sir; just hanging loose in there. Mr. BALL. Did you have a white shirt on? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Cuff links, or---- Mr. CLARK. No, sir; I believe a short-sleeve shirt. Mr. BALL. Short-sleeve shirt? Mr. CLARK. Uh-huh. Mr. BALL. Took off your tie? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Unbuttoned your top button on your shirt? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What kind of pants did you have on? Mr. CLARK. Brown. Mr. BALL. With belt? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What about your partner, what did he do? Mr. CLARK. He took of his tie and his coat, and I believe they had a sports coat hanging there that he put on. Mr. BALL. And you went down in the showup room? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.