Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You took part in the second showup, didn't you? Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. At 6:30, and who called you for that? Mr. PERRY. We were down in the office and they simply called us and said they were ready for us again. Wanted us to come back and then we went back up there and---- Mr. BALL. How were you dressed that time? Mr. PERRY. Same way. Mr. BALL. Same coat? Mr. PERRY. Same coat. Mr. BALL. No tie? Mr. PERRY. No tie. Mr. BALL. Give the same answers and same name, occupation and address? Mr. PERRY. Best I recall I think they were all fictitious too. Mr. BALL. Did you hear any conversation which took place in the audience? Mr. PERRY. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Do you know who the detective was that asked the questions? Mr. PERRY. Sims, I believe. It was Sims. Mr. BALL. Do you think that was Sims? Do you know Sims? Mr. PERRY. I do. It was Sims; yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Sims was behind with you. He was not in the audience? Mr. PERRY. That's right. Mr. BALL. According to the record, did he ask questions from the stage? Mr. PERRY. From the stage where we were; yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Where you were. Who asked them the first time? Do you know? Mr. PERRY. I don't recall. I don't know. Mr. BALL. But you remember Sims did the second one? Mr. PERRY. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. All right. Will you state your height, please? Mr. PERRY. About 5'11". Mr. BALL. What is your weight? Mr. PERRY. About 150. Mr. BALL. And your hair? Mr. PERRY. Brown. Mr. BALL. And your eyes? Mr. PERRY. Blue. Mr. BALL. Complexion? Mr. PERRY. I guess medium, fair, I guess. Mr. BALL. Fair. That's all. TESTIMONY OF RICHARD L. CLARK The testimony of Richard L. Clark was taken at 9:15 a.m., on April 9, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BALL. Will you stand up and be sworn, please. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. CLARK. I do. Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please. Mr. CLARK. Richard L. Clark. Mr. BALL. What is your address, please, your home address? Mr. CLARK. 4928 Live Oak. Mr. BALL. What is your business or occupation? Mr. CLARK. Detective for the Dallas Police Department. Mr. BALL. How long have you been in the Dallas Police Department? Mr. CLARK. Eleven years. Mr. BALL. Where were you born and raised? Mr. CLARK. Dallas, Tex. Mr. BALL. Go through school here? Mr. CLARK. Went to school in Irving. Mr. BALL. What did you do after that? Mr. CLARK. After I went to school? Mr. BALL. Yes, sir. Mr. CLARK. I went to work.