Mr. BALL. Fictitious? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything that was said in the audience? Mr. CLARK. No, sir; I couldn't hear anything that was said. Mr. BALL. Lights were on you? Mr. CLARK. Lights were on us; yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And you couldn't see in the audience? Mr. CLARK. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, can you refresh your memory from the police report and tell me what time that first showup was? Mr. CLARK. 4:35 p.m. Mr. BALL. P.m.? You were in the second showup also, weren't you? Mr. CLARK. Second showup would be 6:30 p.m. Mr. BALL. Now, those were the only two showups in which you took part? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, at the 6:30 showup, how did you happen to take part in that? Mr. CLARK. I believe some detective, I don't recall who, came up from homicide and told us that there would probably be another showup after the first one, to stick around in the event that there was that they wanted us again. Mr. BALL. Did you still stick around? Mr. CLARK. We went back to our office. Mr. BALL. To your office? Did you get a call? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir; they called us back down there. Mr. BALL. Who called you? Mr. CLARK. I don't recall who called us. Mr. BALL. Where did you go when you got the call? Mr. CLARK. Back up to the third floor, homicide office up there. Mr. BALL. Fritz' office? Mr. CLARK. Yes. Mr. BALL. What had you done with the little red vest that you had on in the first showup? Mr. CLARK. I had left--after the showup we went back upstairs to the homicide, and I took it off and left it there. Mr. BALL. What did you do for the second showup? How did you dress? Mr. CLARK. The same red vest. Mr. BALL. What about your tie? Mr. CLARK. No tie. Mr. BALL. What about the coat? Mr. CLARK. No coat. Mr. BALL. Now, on the second showup, where were you standing? Mr. CLARK. Same position. Mr. BALL. Same position? Mr. CLARK. Yes. Mr. BALL. Facing the audience, who was No. 1? Mr. CLARK. Facing the audience, Perry would have been No. 1. Oswald---- Mr. BALL. Who? Mr. CLARK. Perry. Mr. BALL. Oswald was 2? Mr. CLARK. Oswald, 2; myself, 3; Ables, 4. Mr. BALL. And did the detective ask you questions? Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir; he asked me questions again. Mr. BALL. What did he ask you? Mr. CLARK. Name, address, occupation. Mr. BALL. And do you remember what you said? Mr. CLARK. No, sir; they were all fictitious answers. Mr. BALL. And again, could you hear anything said in the audience? Mr. CLARK. No, sir. Mr. BALL. What is your height? Mr. CLARK. About 5'11". Mr. BALL. What is your weight? Mr. CLARK. About 177. Mr. BALL. And your hair? Mr. CLARK. Blond. Mr. BALL. And your eyes? Mr. CLARK. Blue. Mr. BALL. Your complexion is fair? Mr. CLARK. Fair. Mr. BALL. Had you ever taken part in a showup before? Mr. CLARK. No. Mr. BALL. Was it unusual to have an officer, from your experience in the police department, was it unusual to have an officer take part in the police department showup?