Mr. CLARK. No; it wasn't unusual. Mr. BALL. You ever helped them before? Mr. CLARK. No, sir. Mr. BALL. I think that is all. Will you give your seat to your partner here, and we'll take his deposition. TESTIMONY OF DON R. ABLES The testimony of Don R. Ables was taken at 9:45 a.m., on April 9, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BALL. Would you stand up and be sworn? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. ABLES. I do. Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please. Mr. ABLES. Don R. Ables. Mr. BALL. Where do you live, Mr. Ables? Mr. ABLES. 1520 Kingsley, in Garland. Mr. BALL. What is your business or occupation? Mr. ABLES. Jail clerk, Dallas Police Department. Mr. BALL. How long have you been a jail clerk in the Dallas Police Department? Mr. ABLES. About 7 months. Mr. BALL. And you are a member of the police department? Mr. ABLES. I am a civilian employee. Mr. BALL. Civilian employee? You are not---- Mr. ABLES. An actual member of the---- Mr. BALL. An actual member of the department? Mr. ABLES. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Where were you born and raised? Mr. ABLES. I was born and raised in Hico, Tex. Mr. BALL. How do you spell that? You probably know it. I don't. Mr. ABLES. [Spelling.] H-i-c-o. Mr. BALL. [Spelling.] H-i-c-o. Did you go to school there? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How far through school? Mr. ABLES. Well, through 10-1/2 grades. Mr. BALL. Then where did you go? Mr. ABLES. Joined the Navy. Mr. BALL. How long were you in the Navy? Mr. ABLES. Seven and a half years. Mr. BALL. What did you do when you got out of the Navy? Mr. ABLES. Came straight to Dallas and went to work for the police department. Mr. BALL. That was 7 months ago? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You were on duty on November 22, 1963, were you? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. In the afternoon? Did you take part in a showup? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. With Oswald? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How did you happen to take part in the showup? Tell me who asked you to, or ordered you to? Mr. ABLES. Well, my supervisor in the jail office asked me to. Mr. BALL. What is his name? Mr. ABLES. Sergeant Duncan. Mr. BALL. What did he tell you? Mr. ABLES. Told me that they needed a man for the showup and go out there. Mr. BALL. To where? Mr. ABLES. Well, they was all standing in the room, and I just joined in with them. Mr. BALL. Where did you go? Mr. ABLES. Went into the showup room. Mr. BALL. Showup room? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How were you dressed when you went in the showup room? Mr. ABLES. I was wearing a white shirt and this sweater here [indicating]. Mr. BALL. You have a gray-knit sweater on? Mr. ABLES. Yes. Mr. BALL. And dark trousers? Mr. ABLES. Yes, sir.