Mr. ABLES. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Can you tell me your height? Mr. ABLES. About 5'9". Mr. BALL. What is your weight? Mr. ABLES. Around 165 or something. Mr. BALL. And your hair? Mr. ABLES. Dark. Mr. BALL. Eyes? Mr. ABLES. Brown. Mr. BALL. Complexion? Mr. ABLES. Ruddy. Mr. BALL. I think that is all. You can be excused, too. Mr. ABLES. All right. TESTIMONY OF DANIEL GUTIERREZ LUJAN The testimony of Daniel Gutierrez Lujan was taken at 10:10 a.m., on April 9, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BALL. Mr. Lujan, will you stand up and be sworn, please. Hold up your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give to this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You were asked to come in here and testify, were you not, in this matter? You were asked to come here? Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Were you not? Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And this Commission has been appointed to inquire into the facts and circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy. Mr. LUJAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. And we're informed that you--that there is certain information that might be of some value to the Commission in coming to their conclusion, and we have asked you to come in here and testify. Are you willing to testify to whatever you know? Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. This is Mr. Ely and my name is Ball. We are both staff officers with the Commission. Will you please state your name? Mr. LUJAN. Daniel Gutierrez Lujan. Mr. BALL. Where do you live? Mr. LUJAN. I live 184 Lear. Mr. BALL. Dallas? Mr. LUJAN. Dallas, Tex. Mr. BALL. What is your occupation? Mr. LUJAN. I work in a meat company, butcher and general help. Mr. BALL. I see. Where were you born? Mr. LUJAN. Tyler, Tex. Mr. BALL. Did you go to school there? Mr. LUJAN. No; I went to school in San Antonio and here in Dallas. Mr. BALL. In Dallas? Mr. LUJAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. How far did you go through school? Mr. LUJAN. Went to about seventh grade. Mr. BALL. Then did you go to work? Mr. LUJAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. Where did you go to work? Mr. LUJAN. Palmer & Ray. Mr. BALL. Red? Mr. LUJAN. Ray & Palmer. Mr. BALL. How long did you work there? Mr. LUJAN. I worked there about 2-1/2 years. Mr. BALL. Where did you go then? Mr. LUJAN. Direct Delivery Service. Mr. BALL. Direct to where? Mr. LUJAN. Delivery Service. Mr. BALL. Delivery Service? Mr. LUJAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. How long did you work there? Mr. LUJAN. I worked about 3 years. Mr. BALL. Then where did you go? Mr. LUJAN. Then had to go to Huntsville. I went to Huntsville. Mr. BALL. I didn't hear that. Mr. LUJAN. I went to Huntsville Penitentiary. Mr. BALL. You went to Huntsville Prison? Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. For what charge?