Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not know. Mr. BALL. Did you? Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I had nothing to do with that. Mr. BALL. Do you know who the men were in the showup? Mr. LEAVELLE. That particular showup they had gotten two of the officers, I believe, that work in the vice squad. Mr. BALL. I have the names of the people in the showup; No. 1 was Bill Perry; is he a Dallas Police Department officer? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. No. 3 R. L. Clark---- Mr. LEAVELLE. He is an officer also. Mr. BALL. Vice squad? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. Don Ables is a jail clerk? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. Do you know who picked these men? Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I do not know who decided that they be in the showup. Of course, I am sure whoever did was using them, thinking of the security angle of it more than anything else, rather than getting prisoners down there. Mr. BALL. Is it unusual to use officers in the showup? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; we don't normally do it. Mr. BALL. You usually have other prisoners in the showup? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes, trustees serving time, or---- Mr. BALL. What is your memory as to how these men were dressed? Mr. LEAVELLE. I think all of them had on just shirts and trousers, I believe. I don't think there was any coats involved in any of them. Mr. BALL. Did any have ties? Mr. LEAVELLE. None had ties or hats on. Mr. BALL. Who conducted the showup questioning? Mr. LEAVELLE. I probably asked the questions, yes. Mr. BALL. What questions? Mr. LEAVELLE. Normally, I would not have asked names in this case because for fear of her remembering the name, so, or might have heard the name, so, probably asked how old they were, what occupation, anything so they could speak and let me hear the sound of their voice. Mr. BALL. Did any of them say they were police officers? Mr. LEAVELLE. No, no; the officers gave some other occupation. Mr. BALL. Now, what did Helen Markham say while she was in the showup room? Mr. LEAVELLE. Well, she was very nervous and I do not recall what all she did say, but she was able to identify Oswald as the one. Mr. BALL. What did she tell you? Mr. LEAVELLE. She said he was the man that was at the scene she saw do the shooting over there in Oak Cliff. Mr. BALL. Did you take a statement from her then? Mr. LEAVELLE. I took one from her but I do not remember whether--just when I took it. Mr. BALL. Then what did you do after that showup?