Mr. LEAVELLE. Well, I--Mr. Graves and I took Helen back home and after we dropped her off we stopped by this carlot, 501 East Jefferson, and talked with the manager or owner of that and found out that he was the one that had seen the man running. He had heard the shots and seen the man running, from the scene of the shooting and the colored porter there also had heard it, and they had gone to the scene and they said, each of them said, that they thought they might be able to identify the man that they saw running; they heard the shots and they ran outside and saw him running down the sidewalk across the street from the lot with the gun in his hand. Mr. BALL. You also talked to Domingo Benavides? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. D-o-m-i-n-g-o B-e-n-a-v-i-d-e-s [spelling]. I would think it would be spelled differently. Mr. LEAVELLE. He was supposed to be Mexican descent but that Benavides is actually an Italian name, I believe. Mr. BALL. Well, did you talk to him also? Mr. LEAVELLE. I talked with him but I do not believe we ever took an affidavit off him that I recall--may have. Mr. BALL. Didn't he tell you that he picked up some empty hulls? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes, he told me he picked them up and gave them to the officer. I remember the officer told me he had gotten the hulls from someone who gave them to him, and when I talked to Domingo, he said he was the one picked them up and give them to the officer. Mr. BALL. Did you bring any of these men downtown? Mr. LEAVELLE. No. Mr. BALL. Did you ask them---- Mr. LEAVELLE. I called later--Ted Callaway--bring the others down; however, I think the Negro porter there, whatever his name is, is the only one he brought. Mr. BALL. You say you told him to bring the others down? Who did you tell to bring down? Mr. LEAVELLE. The porter and this Domingo. Mr. BALL. But he only brought---- Mr. LEAVELLE. Sam Guinyard. Mr. BALL. Do you know why Domingo Benavides was never brought down for the showup? Mr. LEAVELLE. I think he said he never saw the man actually. I believe he said later on he did not see the man. Mr. BALL. He testified here he saw the man running. Mr. LEAVELLE. But he--either that or he told me he could not recognize him, one or the other. Mr. BALL. Did you have a showup with Callaway and Guinyard? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes, I do not recall the time but we did. Mr. BALL. Do you want to see your notes here; would that refresh your memory? Here is a report that you made, also. [Papers to witness.] Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes, at 6:30 p.m. would be right. Mr. BALL. 6:30 p.m.? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. Who was in the audience side of the showup this time? Mr. LEAVELLE. As far as I know there wasn't anyone other than Mr. Graves and myself, and I am not too sure he was there. I do not recall. Mr. BALL. Your notes say that Brown and Dhority were with you. Is that right? Mr. LEAVELLE. Well, I do not remember; it could have been. Mr. BALL. Who was with the witnesses?