Mr. LEAVELLE. Who was with the witnesses? Mr. BALL. What officer was with the witnesses? Mr. LEAVELLE. Well, we were with them. Mr. BALL. Who talked to them? Mr. LEAVELLE. Are you talking about the witnesses or the ones in the lineup? Mr. BALL. No; I am talking about the witnesses. Mr. LEAVELLE. Only two witnesses is Callaway and Guinyard and I talked with them. Mr. BALL. You talked with them? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. Who were the men in the showup this time? Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not remember. Mr. BALL. These notes show that Billy Perry was No. 1; R. L. Clark, No. 2; and 4, Don Ables; and No. 2, Oswald. Mr. LEAVELLE. I know they were on two different showups, so it is quite possible. Mr. BALL. Who conducted the questions of the men in the showup? Mr. LEAVELLE. I would think I would have been--the same line. Mr. BALL. Do you know what Ted Callaway said? Mr. LEAVELLE. Not per se; I know they were able to identify Oswald. Mr. BALL. What was the substance of what he said? Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not recall. Mr. BALL. You say "identify"; that doesn't mean much to me because I don't know what he identified him as. Mr. LEAVELLE. He said he was the man; he identified him as the man he saw running from the direction where the shots came from over in the Oak Cliff area near his carlot. Mr. BALL. What about Sam Guinyard? Mr. LEAVELLE. Same thing, practically. Mr. BALL. Did you take statements from them? Mr. LEAVELLE. I believe I took affidavits from them, according to my notes, there while we were waiting for them to come down. Mr. BALL. Did you also show them a jacket? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; I took them to the fourth floor and asked them to look at a jacket which---- Mr. BALL. I show you Commission Exhibit 162. Does that look anything like the jacket? Mr. LEAVELLE. It looks like the jacket that I showed them; yes. Mr. BALL. Do you know what Callaway said when he saw the jacket? Mr. LEAVELLE. He said this was definitely the jacket or one exactly like it. Mr. BALL. Do you know what Guinyard said? Mr. LEAVELLE. He said it was also the same type jacket. Mr. BALL. Now then, did you do anything else that day on this investigation? Mr. LEAVELLE. I do not recall other than possibly answer the telephone in the office. Mr. BALL. You went to work at what time Saturday morning, November 23, 1963? Mr. LEAVELLE. It would be around 8 o'clock, I imagine. Mr. BALL. And did you take some statements that day? Mr. LEAVELLE. Chances are I may have, I do not remember. Mr. BALL. Here is---- Mr. LEAVELLE. It says took one affidavit from R. S. Truly, supervisor of Texas School Book and the other of employee, Mrs. R. A. Reid. Mr. BALL. You are refreshing your memory from a report that you made, is that correct? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. BALL. Now, did you attend another showup that day? Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; we held another showup that day which involved a cabdriver---- Mr. BALL. What's his name?