Mr. HILL. This is a .38 caliber Western shell with the identification mark Q-78, with the other markings of JH and CK on it, and also on the shell casing near the rear of the bullet is the name H-i-l-l, with which I marked it. Mr. BELIN. Handing you Q-80. Mr. HILL. Okay. This is an R.-P. .38 shell with the identification number Q-80. The initials CK and JH near the "Q" number on the jacket of this one. Also is the name H-i-l-l scratched into the metal, which I placed on it. And this one also is a plain lead shell. Mr. BELIN. Handing you Q-81, do you see Q-81, on there? Mr. HILL. This is an R and P shell with the identification number Q-81, with the initials CK and JH scratched near the "Q" number. On the side of this shell also is the word H-i-l-l, which was placed on this shell by me. This is a .38 lead slug. Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not all of these slugs were removed from this gun which has been marked as Exhibit 143? What is the fact as to whether or not all of those six were removed? Mr. HILL. All six of the slugs that were identified immediately previous to this point were removed from the gun, identified as Commission Exhibit 143, by me. Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not from the time this gun was handed to you until the time you removed these six bullets, this gun was in your possession? Mr. HILL. The gun remained in my possession until it, from the time it was given to me until the gun was marked and all the shells were marked. They remained in my personal possession. After they were marked, they were released by me to Detective T. L. Baker of the homicide bureau. He came to the personnel office and requested that they be given to him, and I marked them and turned them over to him at this point. Mr. BELIN. All right, now, I want to return to the car, Sergeant Hill. You stated that this gun was handed to you by---- Mr. HILL. Detective Bob Carroll. Mr. BELIN. Detective Bob Carroll when he got in? Mr. HILL. Yes. Mr. BELIN. All right. After he handed you--handed the gun to you, will you tell us what happened inside the car, or whether anyone made any remarks? And if you can, what happened in the car? Mr. HILL. We mostly got the car in motion, traveled to the first corner where we could make a right turn, made a right turn, traveled one block, made another right turn, continued down this street, and at this point we would have been going east until we reached Zangs Boulevard, and turned left onto Zangs. Within, I would say seconds--this is just a guess--after we got in the car, I picked up the radio and used the call number 550, car 2, which No. 550 is the number assigned to the personnel office, and because I knew the captain was out in the field and he would be using 550, if he got on the radio. I used call 550, car 2, and made the statement, "We have suspect and weapon and are en route to the station."