Mr. BELIN. I am first going to hand you what has been marked Q-178 on the lead portion. It is 178 or 170. It appears to be Q-178, with the initials JH running together and CK, and then another initial R, with a dash behind it. Do you see any identification mark of yours on there at all? Mr. HILL. Yes, sir; on the side of the jacket of the bullet there is the name scratched H-i-l-l, and also the initials BC. I scratched the H-i-l-l on this shell, and Bob Carroll scratched the BC on it in my presence in the personnel office of the police department on the third floor. Mr. BELIN. What is that? Mr. HILL. This is one of the shells which is a .38 special shell that was removed from the suspect's weapon, removed from the weapon that was taken from the suspect at the time of his arrest. Mr. BELIN. When was it removed? Mr. HILL. They were not taken out of the gun, as I recall, sir, until we arrived at the station. Mr. BELIN. Who took it out of the gun? Mr. HILL. I took it out of the gun. Mr. BELIN. Did you keep it in your possession until you put on your initials? Mr. HILL. All six shells remained in my possession until I initialed them. Mr. BELIN. Was this an empty shell or live bullet? Mr. HILL. That is a live round. Mr. BELIN. For what caliber? Mr. HILL. A .38 caliber. Mr. BELIN. I am going to hand you another bullet which has been marked Q-177. Mr. HILL. That appears to be Q-177. It's also on the what appears to be the copper tip has the initial JH running together, the initials CK on it also. It is a Western .38 special bullet. It has not been fired. It is a copper-colored slug. On the case of this shell is also the name H-i-l-l, which was placed there on November 22. Mr. BELIN. Let the record show that I believe that these are Exhibit 145, but I am not sure. I mean Commission Exhibit 145, and therefore, I identified them by the "Q" number which is on the bullet itself. Was this also something that you took out? Mr. HILL. This would have been another of the shells, and the gun. Mr. BELIN. I hand you four more bullets which have been marked as, I believe they are Commission Exhibit 518, but again I will withhold that identification. I see the markings on this--let me see if I can see some "Q" numbers. I see one Q-79. Do you see that, sergeant? Mr. HILL. Now that I know where to look, I can find it. It is going to be Q-79. It has the initials CK. That is distinguishable on it. It has two X's near the identification number that are legible. And it has other markings that is R something or "R-" that is apparently on some of the others. Mr. BELIN. Do you see your name on that? Mr. HILL. My name is also on this, on the metal jacket portion of the shell. Mr. BELIN. What kind of bullet is that? Mr. HILL. This is another Western .38 special with a copper-colored coating on the lead inside the bullet. Mr. BELIN. Handing you Q-78.