Mr. BALL. To his right facing the screen? Mr. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. BALL. And on the other aisle, is that correct? Mr. GIBSON. Right. Mr. BALL. Did you see the lights come on in that theatre? Mr. GIBSON. Yes. Mr. BALL. Had you paid any attention to other people who had come in the theatre before the lights came on? Mr. GIBSON. No. Mr. BALL. Tell me what happened after the lights came on? Mr. GIBSON. Well, when the lights came on, of course, as I said before, I know most of the people that work there in the show and I got up and started to the front to ask where the head usher or the girl was that works these lights--if something was wrong--I thought maybe they had a fire. Mr. BALL. You say you started to the front, you mean you started into the lobby? Mr. GIBSON. I started to the lobby, and just before I got to the door there were two or three--anyway the first police officer that got to me was carrying a shotgun, I remember that, and he says, "Is there anybody in the balcony?" I said, "I don't know." He went on up into the balcony and I stood around out in the lobby for--I don't know--a minute or something, I guess, and they kept coming in and I stepped back inside the theatre just standing just behind where I had been sitting and I would say there were at least six or possibly more policemen downstairs. The rest of them were going upstairs. Mr. BALL. What did you see happen? Mr. GIBSON. Well, I was standing there watching all this going on and then the policeman started down the aisle--I would say there was another--I don't know, maybe six or eight--started down the aisles. Mr. BALL. When you say "down the aisles," you mean all of the aisles? Mr. GIBSON. Toward the screen--I don't know if they were going down all of them or not. I don't believe there was any--there was one policeman standing, it seems to me like, right on the other side of me, in the far aisle--just behind me--I don't think there was anybody going down the far aisle next to the wall on my side. Mr. BALL. What aisles did you see policemen going down? Mr. GIBSON. I saw them going down what I would call the two big center aisles, and then the next thing was--Oswald was standing in the aisle with a gun in his hand. Mr. BALL. That's the next thing you saw? Mr. GIBSON. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Was there anybody with him--near him? Mr. GIBSON. I couldn't swear to that--I don't know--you mean other policemen? Mr. BALL. That's what I mean--was he in the aisles? Mr. GIBSON. Well, he was in the aisle when I saw him. Mr. BALL. What was he doing? Mr. GIBSON. Well, he had this pistol in his hand. Mr. BALL. Was anybody near him? Mr. GIBSON. Just the officers. Mr. BALL. What was the officer doing--did you say officers or police officer? Mr. GIBSON. Officers. Mr. BALL. Plural, officers? Mr. GIBSON. Yes; there were more than one. Mr. BALL. What were they doing? Mr. GIBSON. Well, they were going toward him. Mr. BALL. Did they have ahold of him at the time?