Mr. GIBSON. No; I don't believe so. Mr. BALL. Did anyone have ahold of him at that time? Mr. GIBSON. I don't think so. Mr. BALL. Did you see any officer grab hold of Oswald? Mr. GIBSON. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Which one--can you describe where he was and what he did--just tell us in your own words what you saw him do? Mr. GIBSON. Well, just like--I guess you have heard this a lot of times--the gun misfired--it clicked and about the same time there was one police officer that positively had him. Mr. BALL. What do you mean--"had him"? Mr. GIBSON. Well, I mean he grabbed ahold of him. Mr. BALL. Did he grab ahold of him before you heard the click or afterwards? Mr. GIBSON. Gee, that's a question that's kind of hard to answer because I would say possibly seconds before or a second--maybe at the precise time the gun clicked. It happened pretty fast and like I say, I just went in to eat a hot-dog for lunch and I wasn't expecting any of this. Mr. BALL. Did you see any officer strike Oswald? Mr. GIBSON. No, sir; not directly; I saw them take him to the floor. Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald strike any officer? Mr. GIBSON. [Shaking head for negative answer.] Mr. BALL. You did not? Mr. GIBSON. Not that I saw. Mr. BALL. Did you hear anybody say anything? Mr. GIBSON. Well, I heard the officers, but I don't remember what they said--I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it. Mr. BALL. Did you hear Oswald say anything? Mr. GIBSON. No. Mr. BALL. You mentioned the fact that they took him to the floor, you mean they actually went down in the floor of the theatre or close to it? Mr. GIBSON. Well, from where I was standing and looking across--they took him to the floor. Mr. BALL. Were there any seats in the way when they fell? Mr. GIBSON. No; I was standing up--yes; there was seats in the way, but I was looking at an angle. Mr. BALL. Did Oswald fall on the seats or on the floor? Mr. GIBSON. They fell on the floor as best I could tell. Mr. BALL. Then what did you see happen? Mr. GIBSON. I didn't see anything happen--I walked back to the front. Mr. BALL. Did you see Oswald leave the theatre? Mr. GIBSON. Yes; I saw the officers bring him out. Mr. BALL. Describe what you saw at that time--I want to know how they had ahold of him? Mr. GIBSON. Well, right after they took him to the floor, as I said, he had a gun in his hand and I turned around and walked back into the lobby, the front part of the theatre, and just right after I walked out into the lobby, one of the policemen yelled, "Lock the doors," and so I walked up and started locking the doors and the head usher, Butch, came running out and he started at one end and I started at the other end. There was six or eight doors in the front, and we locked them up and then they brought Oswald through the door--there was two police officers that had ahold of him, and his arms were bent around behind him--like so [indicating]. Mr. BALL. And did the officer have his arm around his neck?