Mr. JENNER. And these were regular weapons, not toys? Mr. VOEBEL. That's right, military weapons. My uncle started a collection while he was in the service, and he brought back a few foreign military weapons. Mr. JENNER. Was that World War I? Mr. VOEBEL. World War II. Mr. JENNER. Your uncle? Mr. VOEBEL. That's right, my uncle. Mr. JENNER. And you also would say that you had an interest in guns; is that right? Mr. VOEBEL. Yes, I was interested in guns. In fact, we had guns around the house all the time. We were always interested in them, my uncle and I, and I learned to shoot a pistol when I was about, oh, 7 years old, you see. Mr. JENNER. Did Lee share your enthusiasm for collecting weapons? Mr. VOEBEL. Oh, no; I don't think I even told Lee about how I felt about that. I don't think Lee was interested in weapons for the same reason I was. I mean, I like weapons because I like mechanics. I like anything you can take apart and especially weapons, and I've always liked reading about the history of different guns, and I have often thought about what could have happened in a situation had they had this weapon or that weapon, you know more modern weapons than the ones they did have. I don't think Lee was interested in the history of any weapons. For example, he wanted a pistol, but it just seemed like he wanted the pistol just to have one, not for any purposes of collecting them or anything. I also like sport cars. You've heard of people who like mechanics and cars. I wanted them for a purpose, whereas Lee would be inclined to want something just to have it, I think. Mr. JENNER. Did you have an interest in automobiles at that time? Mr. VOEBEL. Yes, sir; I did. Mr. JENNER. Did Lee? Mr. VOEBEL. No. Mr. JENNER. You couldn't interest him in that? Mr. VOEBEL. No; I was interested in a lot of things. I had taken music, and I liked automobiles, and I collected weapons, just a lot of things, and Lee didn't share any of that with me, because his interests didn't seem to run that way. Mr. JENNER. Was he interested in music? Mr. VOEBEL. No; he wasn't. Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether he knew how to operate an automobile? Mr. VOEBEL. I never had seen him drive at all. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever discuss the subject with him? Mr. VOEBEL. Not that I can remember. Mr. JENNER. What was your impression as to whether he could drive or couldn't drive an automobile? Mr. VOEBEL. I don't think he could drive. The only thing I think he was interested in besides reading, that I could gather, was one day he went fishing and he caught a whole bunch of little fish in City Park. They were no bigger than that. Mr. JENNER. Almost minnows? Mr. VOEBEL. Right, and I think he liked to fish. Mr. JENNER. Did he talk about fishing? Mr. VOEBEL. Well, not as fishermen do, but I could tell that he enjoyed fishing, at least that day. I do know that he did go fishing, although I don't know how often, but I know he bought a whole rig and went fishing that day.