Mr. JENNER. Were you married to your husband before or after Marguerite married Edward John Pic? Mrs. MURRET. I was already married. Mr. JENNER. You were already married then? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And your husband does have an acquaintance with Edward John Pic, does he? Mrs. MURRET. Oh, no. He just maybe occasionally will see him from a distance, but he has never spoken with him. In fact, I don't think I would know Eddie Pic if I saw him on the street. That has been so long ago. I don't think I would recognize him myself. Eddie Pic was a very peculiar type of boy, you might say a person who did not talk unless you spoke to him, and they would come over to my home for dinner or something, and he would sit there all day long and he wouldn't say anything. Now, I don't know whether all of this is important. I don't guess some of it is. Mr. JENNER. Don't you worry about whether you think it is important or not, Mrs. Murret. We will decide that once we get all this information assembled. You just tell me what you know about all of this, anything that comes to your mind that you think might be important to the Commission in this investigation. Mrs. MURRET. Well, at the beginning when she married Eddie, she said he wasn't fair. He told Marguerite that he was making more money than he was over there, and she had to go back to work. She worked for Mr. Sere. He was one of the lawyers in a law firm at that time, and Marguerite worked for him. It was the firm of Goldberg, Kammer and somebody else--lawyers. Mr. JENNER. Was Sere a lawyer? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; they were all lawyers. They were three lawyers together. He was secretary there at first, but then he became a lawyer too. Mr. JENNER. How do you spell his name? Mrs. MURRET. Mr. Sere? Mr. JENNER. Yes. Mrs. MURRET. S-E-R-E. Mr. JENNER. Is Mr. Sere still alive? Mrs. MURRET. He is not. Mr. JENNER. He is dead? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. All right. Just go ahead now with what you know about Marguerite's first marriage. Mrs. MURRET. Well, the way I understood it, and this is only what she told me now, I know nothing, you know, other than that--but she said Eddie had lied to her about how much money he was making at this place, and that it was a very small salary that he made. He went out and rented a house in the City Park section, which was very high rent, and then it seems like he signed a lease and all that, and then after that Eddie must have told her in the meantime what he was making over at that place, and they couldn't possibly have stayed there and paid that rent on his salary, so she had to ask for her job back again, so they took her back again and then they paid for furniture that they got and so forth while she was working. Mr. JENNER. How old was she then? Mrs. MURRET. Well, let's see--John must be about 31 years old now. Mr. JENNER. You mean her son John?